Once We Found Out Who Bird Woman Was...

[JillLovesChris]

When you play through it again, imo think that it puts a whole new spin on what she may be thinking or doing while behind the scenes in the entire game and sort of makes you also wonder just how much control Wesker did have over her. For example, when we first see Jill aka BMW with that black man in the village and watching him being infected, knowing now that that was Jill under mind control and doing this against her will, you think about how conflicted and torn she must have felt watching this man become a monster right before her eyes and she could do nothing to stop it.

It is interesting to note too that Jill was coherent and knew what was going around her even though she was under a tight control Jill still took in everything and knew what was happening and so to a certain extent could still do things of her own free will but with such a short leash attached to her as a result of the control device attached to her chest. For me it was an interesting twist on the La Plaga mind control and also kind of more sadistic form of torture too.

Also, was anyone else surprised that it was because of her previous T Virus infection and Jill now has DNA that cannot be corrupted by the zombie virus and so she is basically safe from that kind of fate now ?

With all these factors and her being a big factor in helping defeat Wesker in part 5, it makes me also believe she will have a starring role again in the series sooner rather than later down the line.

[A-J]

you think about how conflicted and torn she must have felt watching this man become a monster right before her eyes and she could do nothing to stop it.

it would probably tear her up even more knowing that SHE was the one who infected that guy :p

Also, was anyone else surprised that it was because of her previous T Virus infection and Jill now has DNA that cannot be corrupted by the zombie virus and so she is basically safe from that kind of fate now ?

but her genetic immunity would make her a bigger target for companies like Tri cell and such as they would want to experiment on her with various viruses and see how things go. She may be safe from one thing, but she may react differently to something else.

[Beanovsky Durst]

Lisa Trevor anyone?

As I've said in another thread; this is gonna take a major toll on Jill's character if they decide to continue with the current storyline. As strong-minded and her "great sense of good & wrong (stated on every goddamn RE instruction booklet)" is gonna break her down somehow.

That will probably cause a conflict in her relationship with Chris, we don't really know what hideous things Wesker made her to do... Sadistic bastard (yet I totally admire him!).

[Neoblast]

Jill will have wesker children, she is pregnant!

[Darinl1979]

Lisa Trevor anyone?

As I've said in another thread; this is gonna take a major toll on Jill's character if they decide to continue with the current storyline. As strong-minded and her "great sense of good & wrong (stated on every goddamn RE instruction booklet)" is gonna break her down somehow.

That will probably cause a conflict in her relationship with Chris, we don't really know what hideous things Wesker made her to do... Sadistic bastard (yet I totally admire him!).

Jills made it this far without any mental problems, why would they start now? Plus I doubt Wesker made her do anything too extreme, as it probably would of mentioned in the file. My guess is, she was probably used to help Irving spread Las Plagas and then given to Excella...as she was stated to be a plaything by Excella...probably a gift from Wesker.

The beginning opening scene, my thought on it was that Irving was the one to infect that person...Jill just stood there to watch the effect. Wasn't it implied that it was a "BOW left by that scumbag Irving to set us up"?

While it would be interesting to see aftereffects of everything on Jill, I think shes pretty much done as far as RE games go.

[REmaster]

RE6 is going to pick up where RE5 left off in the helicopter, then a demon baby is going to rip through Jill's stomach

[Mr. Kennedy]

we don't really know what hideous things Wesker made her to do... Sadistic bastard (yet I totally admire him!).

What do you think that vagina hole in the battle suit was for...

[Beanovsky Durst]

What do you think that vagina hole in the battle suit was for...

LOL

Funny but seriously, Wesker does not have time for sex (yes, in that sense he's the dumbest man ever...). A threesome with Excella and Jill...

But what I meant was in the sense of "killing/infecting/doing dirty work"... but yes; it's suggestive as hell.

[hellrizer]

You know what? I also wonder about his too i mean what was she doing the whole time when she took ivering away.

[Darinl1979]

You know what? I also wonder about his too i mean what was she doing the whole time when she took ivering away.

Trying to save Irving from the BSAA was a full time job for her, its not like she had time to do anything else since he was such a bumbling idiot.

Unfortunatly for Wesker I dont think he used Jill for anything besides what we know. Her file states that she was in the tube recuperating for a LONG time, and based on dialogue in game Jill was more like a gift to Excella to help her get things moving.

I am more curious how she got through the cave area without setting off any of the traps. Its funny how Chris and Sheva say "It looks like theres been some recent activity here" in the cave area but yet all the traps and locks are still in place.

[padamibr]

Well, Jill was not under direct control from Wesker, I'll try to explain but it will be difficult as my english is bad and the situation itself is complicated.

So, the fact is that Jill have not been in direct control from Wesker, it was more like a solider-general thing. A solider obey a general but he's not been directly controlled. The same with Jill and Wesker, but there wasn't any options for Jill but to obey Wesker. So, in the begining of the game Jill is not doing that agains her will, I mean, if she was normal it would be that way, however, with the P30 Jill's free will no longer exist. She do knows what she's doing but she is not suffering, she is not feeling pity, she doesn't care at all, the only thing that she "cares" is with Wesker orders.

The P30 is not as Las Plagas, this is very clear. P30 "rendered them (test subjects) highly susceptible to control". What control? It's not a metal control, it's not through eletronic means, nor "Saddler type" of control. It was a solider-general control. Also, when Wesker says "Remarkable! Still resisting at such an advanced stage" we can imply that Jill should have offered resistance in the begining, meaning that should be a "domestication" procedure with the P30, where the subject is told who they will obey and "learn" do obey. Jill should have suffered very, very badly is this procedure as she would never let Wesker have that control over her easily (there is not such a procedure with Las Plagas). Also, there is no connection between Jill-Wesker-Excella as she has to say to them: "The BSAA are here" to make them aware.

It's not Jill's mind that has been corrupted (as it happens with Las Plagas, where the person just doesn't exist anymore after the Plaga domination), it's just her free will ("With her (Jill's) freewill constantly being usurped...". So, whatever Jill has done she did it by herself, with her mind, with her thinks, with her skills, but not with her will. For exemple, when Jill sees Chris, she knows who he is, she knows their past together but she just doesn't care. As I said, she just "care" for Wesker orders. It's kind of wierd because it's hard to picture it, but that's the way it is.

Now, I agree that there are a lot to be said from Jill, we don't know for how much time she had the device in her chest and things will be different for her after all that. She can still have a normal life with Chris and the BSAA, but she have seen way to much.

I thought about a big DLC that would answers all that questions, but even if Capcom do something is this way, it won't be as good as I can imagine it.

[Darinl1979]

I think you are using speculation over fact in your thoughts about P30 and its effects since we know very little about it other then its strength enhancing and making its subjects controlable. Since Jill even said she was "aware" of what was happening but couldn't control her actions it kind of makes little to no sense. Someone has to be acting for Jill to do all those things, even under orders. If its not a parasite, then its just a chemical drug...what determines who controls the person? I am guessing the one who administers the drug but who knows.

The handheld device Wesker had was probably just something that administers the drug manually when needed. At first glance I thought it was telling her what to do, but I dont think so now. While it was nice to see they came up with something that wasn't a form of Las Plagas that could be removed and not kill its host, P30 has alot of unclear plotholes around it...especially in regards to how it controls people.

[padamibr]

It can be just a speculation but it's based on solid facts. After seeing all info (it's not much, as you said) this is the best theory I can come up with to explain P30 effects on Jill.

It make perfect sense with all the info we got, it explain why Jill was aware and have done all that.

[Alexia_Ashford]

When I found out who bird woman was... I was completely unsuprised. We all knew who it'd be anyway so I'd feel exactly the same playing it through again as I did the first time.

[REmaster]

When I found out who bird woman was... I was completely unsuprised. We all knew who it'd be anyway so I'd feel exactly the same playing it through again as I did the first time.

I think the only person in the entire world that was suprised, was Chris. Even if you stayed away from all re5 discussions, spoilers, etc., they made it so obvious that jill was the bird woman in the game that it made me kind of pissed, like we're so dumb they had to basically come out and say