RE4 vs. RE5: Voice-Acting

[Darkmoon]

This is what I don't get. I've been hearing it for years.
"Oh we know the RE series has lots of action and cheesy dialogue..but not as much as RE4!" So basically you gave Capcom a license to put as much cheese and action as they want in their games by tolerating it through 1, 2, 3, CVX and 0. You shouldnt' be surprised or angry at anyone for Capcom simply continuing what they thougth would work because it had worked in the past.

Oh and Zombie...Chris actually calls Wesker a comic book villain. he fits the mold as much as Saddler or Salazar.

Well, let me put it like this. Resident Evil is a pizza. For years we enjoy the subtle balance of source, herbs and, yes, cheese. Sometimes the dough's a little heavier, sometimes the oregano is a bit heavy, but over all it's roughly the same pizza.

Then Chef Capcom produces a pizza with no sauce, a thin crust and six inches of cheese. You can't touch the damned thing for fear of molten hot mozzarella. People reject the pizza. 'There is too much cheese,' they cry, 'We can't stomach it! And add more sauce!'

I'm sorry...you're basically saying because people don't mind or even like a little bit of something it's there fault when they get a foot thick block of it next time? Even Capcom has clearly twigged that RE4 was too much, since Leon was toned down for Degeneration and Chris wasn't making one liner cracks about Excella's tits.

Anyway, for the topic, I'm sticking with RE5. RE4's cast did a good job with much of what they had but I still feel it was a bit wooden, a bit emotionless. Even Leon's cries when random folk die seem more like an actor yelling the line, and while that's exactly what is happening it's not what you're meant to hear.

[hellrizer]

Well, let me put it like this. Resident Evil is a pizza. For years we enjoy the subtle balance of source, herbs and, yes, cheese. Sometimes the dough's a little heavier, sometimes the oregano is a bit heavy, but over all it's roughly the same pizza.

Then Chef Capcom produces a pizza with no sauce, a thin crust and six inches of cheese. You can't touch the damned thing for fear of molten hot mozzarella. People reject the pizza. 'There is too much cheese,' they cry, 'We can't stomach it! And add more sauce!'

I'm sorry...you're basically saying because people don't mind or even like a little bit of something it's there fault when they get a foot thick block of it next time? Even Capcom has clearly twigged that RE4 was too much, since Leon was toned down for Degeneration and Chris wasn't making one liner cracks about Excella's tits.

Anyway, for the topic, I'm sticking with RE5. RE4's cast did a good job with much of what they had but I still feel it was a bit wooden, a bit emotionless. Even Leon's cries when random folk die seem more like an actor yelling the line, and while that's exactly what is happening it's not what you're meant to hear.

Great!! Now I'm hungry!!! But yeah he is right.

[Sina]

Where's everyone going? Bingo?
Showed Leon's awesomeness.

Your right hand comes off?
Awesomeness.

Saddler, you're small time.
Awesomeness.

Better try a new trick, cause that one's getting old.
There's not anything even vaguely wrong with this line.

I've been expecting you my brethrens.
No thanks, bro!
Awesome.

You also said Steve Burnside was the best character in RECV, which is the most absurd and surreal thing I've ever heard anyone say regarding Resident Evil, concidering most people on this planet who've played RECV have the opposite opinion. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure some people like Steve, but I never thought I'd hear anyone refer to him as the best character. I think your problem is just astoundingly bad taste, concidering how "awesome" you think RE4 Leon -- who is basically the definition of a geek -- is.

Yeah she was really scared when she picked up a rocket launcher when facing a Tyrant and, before shooting it, stopped to say "you lose big buy!"
I could feel her fear and terror!

Then again that's probably the only good line she has ever had.

Your hypocrisy is fucking staggering. Not only do you defend every single letter of the most godawful dialogue in RE4, but you pick 2 equally cheesy lines (from 2 separate games no less) and tear them apart for their apparent cheesiness. Dare I say your judgement is clouded by the fact that you're a raging Leon fanboy?

All Steve ever did was hit on Claire and have fun with guns. Oh and show a distinct lack of trust in people due ot his father's actions.

Yeah those damn eleven-year-olds. Oh wait..99% of the male populace are fall into the first two descriptions at the very least.

Way to oversimplify the personality of a irrational, whiny, geeky, annoying, childish, emo assclown of a burden like Steve... 99% of the male populace, huh... Your reasoning is exausting to process.

All Steve did was hit on Claire? When precisely did he hit on her except right before his death? If you concider acting like a cocky snotnose disruptive rude brat in order to impress Claire as hitting on her, then yes, he did that all the time, but never mind 11 year olds, that is more in line with how 6 year olds try to get the attention of the opposite sex. The fact that you approve if that behaviour and concider it normal is just scary.

This is what I don't get. I've been hearing it for years.
"Oh we know the RE series has lots of action and cheesy dialogue..but not as much as RE4!" So basically you gave Capcom a license to put as much cheese and action as they want in their games by tolerating it through 1, 2, 3, CVX and 0. You shouldnt' be surprised or angry at anyone for Capcom simply continuing what they thougth would work because it had worked in the past.

There's a thing called game evolution, where the amount of cheese and sillyness steadily decrease as the years progress toward more maturity in games. Sure, RE2, 3, CV, REmake and RE0 all had their amount of cheese aswell, but the amount has been steadily declining. While it shot up abit in RE0, the problem people have with RE4 is that Capcom suddenly took 5 steps backwards on the cheese/maturity scale.

Oh and Zombie...Chris actually calls Wesker a comic book villain. he fits the mold as much as Saddler or Salazar.

Yeah, if Chris said it, then there's no discussion! Astounding logic, again. You're saying forcing natural selection on the human race is as much comic book as mindcontrolling the US government to "take over the world"?

[Becky's Butt]

Your hypocrisy is fucking staggering. Not only do you defend every single letter of the most godawful dialogue in RE4, but you pick 2 equally cheesy lines (from 2 separate games no less) and tear them apart for their apparent cheesiness. Dare I say your judgement is clouded by the fact that you're a raging Leon fanboy?

Did you totally miss how I said that line by Claire was the only good dialogue she's ever had?

I'm not being hypocritical because I have nothing against those cheesy lines. Because the RE series is a cheesy franchise. You lose big guy, I'll give you STARS, hey queenie, feast on this, no thanks bro...it's all part of the RE charm that makes me love every one of the games I've played. Well except CVX.

Way to oversimplify the personality of a irrational, whiny, geeky, annoying, childish, emo assclown of a burden like Steve... 99% of the male populace, huh... Your reasoning is exausting to process.

All Steve did was hit on Claire? When precisely did he hit on her except right before his death? If you concider acting like a cocky snotnose disruptive rude brat in order to impress Claire as hitting on her, then yes, he did that all the time, but never mind 11 year olds, that is more in line with how 6 year olds try to get the attention of the opposite sex. The fact that you approve if that behaviour and concider it normal is just scary.

Wow, what bubble do you live in when men don't fall over themselves to posture in front of women?

Even ignoring that, what Steve did is a long-held dream of men in fiction. To save the damsel in distress. If you can crash through a window and pump a monster full of bullets while doing so, so much the better.

There's a thing called game evolution, where the amount of cheese and sillyness steadily decrease as the years progress toward more maturity in games. Sure, RE2, 3, CV, REmake and RE0 all had their amount of cheese aswell, but the amount has been steadily declining. While it shot up abit in RE0, the problem people have with RE4 is that Capcom suddenly took 5 steps backwards on the cheese/maturity scale.

Eh? Zero was a step back on the cheese-o-meter from RE3.
And you're one to talk, sitting here defending RE5 when it has the cheesiest villain in the series.
"I will destroy the world!!!! Because I R EVIL MWAHAHAHAHAHAA!"

Yeah, if Chris said it, then there's no discussion! Astounding logic, again. You're saying forcing natural selection on the human race is as much comic book as mindcontrolling the US government to "take over the world"?

Pretty much. Wesker doesn't care about anyone but himself. He's like Liquid Snake from Metal Gear Solid. "Bring honor and chaos back tot his world gone soft." Liquid din't care about honor, he cared about his ego and proving himself better than Big Boss. Wesker didn't care about evolution. He cared about attaining some level of godhood and rulership over the planet.

They try to glorify their goals but in the end they're the same; "I will kill the world!"

Really there are many kinds of comic book villains - some simple and some very complex. Wesker is the former. At least Saddler had some level of regret over the loss of his subordinates. While Wesker, (this was a totally unexpected plot twist!) betrayed his subordinate.

ReallY Wesker is probably the most unoriginal and cliche villain in the RE seires to date.

EDIT: I take that back. Not the most. That probably be Nicholaia nd Irons who never got much development. But he's still pretty bland.

[hellrizer]

Alright I am just saying this because I don't want to see you guys get banned but you need to take it somewhere else. You don't want one of the moderators to come and bring out the crab. Just a heads-up

With that said, I think the voice acting on RE5 was better than RE4's voice acting but that is just my opinion.

[Mr_Zombie]

ReallY Wesker is probably the most unoriginal and cliche villain in the RE seires to date.

You think he's worse than Marcus, who spend the entire game sitting in a monitor room, enjoying his leeches, talking to random people over microphone and attacking them for no real reason (when, at the same time, two men who killed him were sitting nearby) ... and then, at the end of the game, he showed up, talked crap like "and the world will burning in the inferno of hate!" and died within 10-15 minutes.

And what about Vincent, who infected the entire town just because people started to bad talk about him... after he brutally killed few teenagers... who tried to escape from a prison they had been thrown into so that their brain would be extracted in a live operation...

Not to mention Alexia - a girl who thought that she was so awesome and perfect, that injecting a virus (that had just turned her father into a monster), taking a cryogenic sleep for 15 years and waking up would make her even more perfect and ready to rule the world as an "ant queen"...

Oh, and Morpheus, a man who loved beauty so much, that after injecting a t + G virus he himself turned into a female Tyrant on high heels

Resident Evil is full of those over the top villains.
In Resident Evil 4 producers just went "oh the hell with it" and didn't even try to reason characters and their actions, just went into full cheese experience. It was something like Austin Powers of Resident Evil universe.

[A-J]

Wesker may be cliche, but atleast he was fun and interesting to watch, and not a dull guy with the personality of a block of wood.

[Becky's Butt]

I missed this so I want to address this before I get to your post Zombie.

You also said Steve Burnside was the best character in RECV, which is the most absurd and surreal thing I've ever heard anyone say regarding Resident Evil, concidering most people on this planet who've played RECV have the opposite opinion. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure some people like Steve, but I never thought I'd hear anyone refer to him as the best character. I think your problem is just astoundingly bad taste, concidering how "awesome" you think RE4 Leon -- who is basically the definition of a geek

Well let's tally up the characters in CV.
We have Claire Redfield...who's looking for her brother. Been doing that since RE2. She finds him.
...that's the end of her.
Then we have Chris Redfield who wants to avenge his comrades.
THat's the end of him.
Then we have Wesker himself. Brought to you by the letter P as in Plot Device. Oh and don't forget Capcom's inability to think of a good new storyline so they just resturrected an old one and made everything, even RE2, bend over backwards to meet it.
Then we have a second-rate Norman Bates wanabe who has an infatuation with his sister and wants to kill Claire because it will restore the Ashford name.
..You figure that out.
Finally we have Alexia. She was a run-of-the-mill mad scientist type in the style of Birkin except she has a thing for ants. I also like how she wasn't even scheduled to wake up during the time of CVX but she still did..for no reason. To cap it all off, she really had no goal or motive in the game. She was just kinda there, shoving viruses in people and sending tentacles after you. Oh and don't forget prolonging the game needlessly.

Next to that A-list cast of characters, Steve Burnside doesn't look so bad.

You think he's worse than Marcus, who spend the entire game sitting in a monitor room, enjoying his leeches, talking to random people over microphone and attacking them for no real reason (when, at the same time, two men who killed him were sitting nearby)

Nah that was one of the biggest flaws with Zero. I mean I liked Marcus because he actually explained the T-Virus and its origin which had been pretty much ignored for 5 games.
But I still liked Marcus as a villain. He's like Birkin and Alexia but crazier and leech zombies were way cooler than hentai tentacles.

... and then, at the end of the game, he showed up, talked crap like "and the world will burning in the inferno of hate!" and died within 10-15 minutes.

That was a pretty cool line actually. So were a lot of Wesker's lines during the second fight where you blow up rockets in his face.
They both got the whole evil villain monologue thing down good that's for sure.

And what about Vincent, who infected the entire town just because people started to bad talk about him... after he brutally killed few teenagers... who tried to escape from a prison they had been thrown into so that their brain would be extracted in a live operation...

Ya know I honestly didn't think of Goldman. That's a good point. i concede that Wesker definitely isn't as lame as Vincent.

Not to mention Alexia - a girl who thought that she was so awesome and perfect, that injecting a virus (that had just turned her father into a monster), taking a cryogenic sleep for 15 years and waking up would make her even more perfect and ready to rule the world as an "ant queen"...

I'm no fan of Alexia but I liked how we learned about her origin an da bit about her backstory. But I guess Wesker got some new backstory in RE5 now didn't he...hm. He may have more depth than her now. Not quite sure.

Oh, and Morpheus, a man who loved beauty so much, that after injecting a t + G virus he himself turned into a female Tyrant on high heels

Oh please, please..Dead Aim isn't canon. Talking about it gives it power. We should just forget it and hope so does Capcom.

But you may be onto something. I guess Morpheus is also worse than Wesker.

So with your good points, we have established Goldman, Nicholai, Chief Irons and Morpheus are all worse than Wesker. Alexia is in the same ballpark.

Ya know Birkin may be my favorite villain but he is a bit cliche. Well at least he proved he wasn't pure evil like Wesker what with his having a wife and child. So he isn't as bland as Albert.

[Bertha]

Oh please, please..Dead Aim isn't canon. Talking about it gives it power. We should just forget it and hope so does Capcom.

Why don't you tell us all how Dead Aim isn't canon? Because last I checked....it was. Just because it's not apart of the main storyline doesn't mean it isn't canon.

[Becky's Butt]

Perhaps I was a bit hasty. Have you a source saying the game was canon?
How about 4d Executor, canon too?
I don't see why anyone would consider either canon. They're trash and nothing in any other game even comments on them. Survivor at leas thad the RE0 Prologue. What does Dead Aim have?

[BadWolfX]

Why don't you tell us all how Dead Aim isn't canon? Because last I checked....it was. Just because it's not apart of the main storyline doesn't mean it isn't canon.

Yeah, look at Resident Evil 4.

[Becky's Butt]

I seem to recall RE4's storyline being crucial for RE5's. Or did Las Plagas just pop into existence for the game?

[BadWolfX]

I seem to recall RE4's storyline being crucial for RE5's. Or did Las Plagas just pop into existence for the game?

The only thing you could draw from RE4 to seems crucial in RE5 is Ada stealing the Plaga, which would then lead to Wesker and then Tricell having it. But Ada gave it to the Agency, not Wesker, and Project Umbrella* says that Wesker got the Las Plagas via unknown measures. So, the point of Resident Evil 4 was....to introduce the Plagas? Wow, that's damn crucial. It's not like the same couldn't be done in RE5 with a few files. Hell, you find out more about the Plagas in RE5 than you do in RE4, or at least it seems that way to me, looking at the information.

*I'm placing a lot of faith in you guys here.

ETA: Anyway, perhaps a seperate topic on this? We're getting too far off topic.

[Becky's Butt]

There's relaly not much to discuss. All RE5 tells us is that they attach to your nervous system. Luis says that in his fifth memo when explaining his removal device and how it will hurt since it attaches itself to you rnerves. RE5 also says they control their host but the host loses no intelligence...same as RE4.
And that's about it.

[Mr_Zombie]

Hell, you find out more about the Plagas in RE5 than you do in RE4, or at least it seems that way to me, looking at the information.

No, RE5 files are only about Type 2 Plagas and how they are different than the original ones. RE4 on the other hand gives you some backstory about Plagas via Luis' notes - the only interesting files (that and Ada's Report) in the entire game.