Darkside Chronicles Character Discussion.

[Beanovsky Durst]

Darkside Chronicles = Umbrella Chronicles

All the "behind the scenes" is canon. The rest is just re-interpretation adapted to fit gameplay, IMO.

[Dark_Chris]

I should never have let Claire go to find Chris on her own after Raccoon City. But I did.

wow just wow

[DarkMemories]

I smell a worse discrepancy here than the video one...Krauser specifically tells Leon he "died in the crash 2 years ago, is that what they told you?"

How does that make any sense if Leon's saying it's been almost five years since RE2 rather than four. Unless he means something like Jan 2003, then it would loosely be 2 years prior to RE4 that way.

Honestly, I'm surprised no else has caught this.

[Ridley W. Hayes]

Nice, then if there are almost 5 years between the Raccoon incident and the south american mission, then Umbrella has been already dismantled. I'm liking this twiter thing more and more.

[Vector]

Since the Twitter topic has been seemingly eternally bumped to the second page, I figured I'd post this here.

Leon seems to be tweeting about his South America mission:


This time, the fight has brought me south to yet another out-of-the-way place.

It seems like these threats always surface in places forgotten and overlooked.

Why must something horrid like this happen before we pay attention to these people?

But now I'm here, ready to face the same fears as I faced that first night in Raccoon City almost five years ago.

https://twitter.com/Leon_Darkside

[valentinesdead?]

The mother virus = progenitor virus

Oh, I know. I was just using that term instead of "progenitor." lol

[Mr. Rod]

The mother virus = progenitor virus

[valentinesdead?]

Wait, where does this come from ? When Takeuchi said something along the lines "we had to set the action in Africa because that's where Progenitor comes form, as stated in Code Veronica", I had no idea what he was talking about, because it just wasn't said at all in the game !

I"m not 100% positive, but I think Code Veronica passingly mentioned that the "mother virus" was found in Africa. Also, in RE0, there might be a file on it, and Billy Coen kinda hints that he knew something about a connection between the "mother virus" and Africa(not that he comes out and says such). . .possibly anyways. Capcom never did pick back up on that.

[Sly]

Fun fact: Sugimura was one of the people responsible for the African origin of the Progenitor Virus.

Wait, where does this come from ? When Takeuchi said something along the lines "we had to set the action in Africa because that's where Progenitor comes form, as stated in Code Veronica", I had no idea what he was talking about, because it just wasn't said at all in the game !

[Pikminister]

Well let's hope that the guy that wrote the script for DSC (Mr. Suga) knows all about these issues.

[Carnivol]

This can be explained by saying Alexia went into reclusiveness in April, as she is also "dead" by that time in the eyes of everyone else, hence why Alfred becomes the family master.

Well, yes, of course (@Alexia being presumed "dead"). That's why I suggested it could've been a rushed/instant move to put Alfred on top, as there were (officially) no more Ashfords around by *sometime* in April (I dunno how they "faked" Alexia's death, but I suppose she might've just as well "vanished" before she was even put into cryo-stasis)


Anyway, additional questions on my end would be:

1) What are the circumstances of her being awakened?
-Alfred (dying) walking into her chamber and then she wakes up... is at least a tad bit too convenient and "perfect" as far as narratives goes. Though, Alfred might've woken her up somehow ('cause of the circumstances, possibly also prematurely. Not good to say whether her mental age of approx. 12 years, her nutjob status, or the virus makes here act like such a... monster)

and

2) Why is it assumed (in Archives and/or elsewhere) that she went into cryo-stasis on the 27th (of December 1983)?
-Is this entirely based on something like the 15 years comment in Alfred's diary? "12-28-1998 - (11x365+4x366) = 12-27-1983" (or whatever)


Anyway, I'm at least fairly certain that Capcom/Cavia are on top of their game as far as the timeline and events goes for things while working on Darkside Chronicles. I suspect they've not only had to do their fair share of paperwork before starting story adjustment for it, but also have had to play through (and study) the respective original versions of the relevant games too (+evt. had some sort of limited access to various material from the development of them too)

[News Bot]

(ie. before or after she entered cryo-sleep. Which I guess could mean Alexia entered cry-sleep late April, Alexander presumed missing, Alfred made head of family "instantly" to make sure the family name does not vanish, etc...)

This can be explained by saying Alexia went into reclusiveness in April, as she is also "dead" by that time in the eyes of everyone else, hence why Alfred becomes the family master. During this time she conducted tests and experiments before finally going into cryo-stasis on December 27th.

Of course, judging from the trailer, perhaps she actually did go in on April and Alfred is awakening her early in the trailer when he presses the globe thing?

[Carnivol]

Without really doing any digging (as all places which have random info fails at citing sources for their stuff properly) or replaying (as I'm way too lazy for that too), the only "issue" I see is that someone assumes Alexander vanished in 1982 (or early 1983) and Alexia entered cryo-sleep in late 1983 (Archives seems to be the main source to blame, as, if I've understood things right, that is the timeline all sorts of sites + Resident Evil 5 likes to (ab)use. It's of course also worth noting that proofreading of text doesn't seem to've been of utmost importance while making the history/files section in Resident Evil 5, as there are a good few funky typos there in general and they probably just slapped in the entire history section to fill things out a bit for those who "doesn't know", using whatever somewhat comprehensive text they had access to at the time as a basis for it)


Thus, with all of that aside, let's jog my memory a little ... ignoring any and all supplemental stuff (and contents that outside of the main game scenario refers to it);
Code: Veronica is set in late December 1998. There are two events using the key element of "15 years ago", one being Alexia's cryo-slumber (Virus Research Report and Alfred's Diary), the other being Alexander's death (Butler's Letter). Both of which are events that may have taken place relatively close to each other (Alfred's Diary). I don't remember all the details, but going by Alfred's Diary, it's not exactly clear when Alexander died and when Alexia enters cryo-sleep.

Which means we don't know if Alexander's "missing" yet in the first entry, or if they between 17. Feb. and 3. Mar. killed him (or if it was the actual injection later on that killed him. Alfred at least later refers to him as "raw material", by talking of a "body"). similar is the case with Alexia; we don't know if she was ready to go to sleep at 22. Apr., or if she had lots of extra preparations and research to do.



However, this is when it might be worth noting that, without knowing the exact source of this text (let's blame Archives), it seems like the Umbrella Chronicles timeline page claims that Alfred (at age 12), was made head of the Ashford family... in Apr. 1982. Say what? Alfred could only have been 11 in Apr 1982 (assuming he's born between Jan-Apr). It's also worth noting that this entry is conveniently not present in the Resident Evil 5 version of the timeline (History of Resident Evil), so at least someone's Bullshit Detector was partly active.

Anyway, April you say?
Could that be the same April as when Alexander was labeled a T-Veronica failure? I'd say the chances are likely, since it's assumed that Alexander "vanished" (in the eyes of everyone else), and since the family needed a new head, he's probably also been gone for a while (how about 3-4 months?). Of course, in various traditional ways of thinking, it's always been the eldest son who gets to inherit everything and assume the role of responsibility, but we all know Alfred was the failure and Alexia the successful of the two... so I guess you could speculate whether or not Alfred was made head of family before or after Alexia was labeled "dead" (ie. before or after she entered cryo-sleep. Which I guess could mean Alexia entered cry-sleep late April, Alexander presumed missing, Alfred made head of family "instantly" to make sure the family name does not vanish, etc...)

Anyway, if Alfred was 12 when he was made head of the family, it would either have to be the year 1983 (meaning they're born between Jan-Apr 71) ... or 1984, before he turns 13 (which would then mean they were born between May-Dec 71).




What the Darkside Chronicles trailer implies is that:
Alexander is alive on the 25th of December, 1983, which is roughly 15 years before Code: Veronica (throw in an extra half-a-week). Then we zip 4 months forward, Alexia already have conducted several experiments on herself, some T-Veronica stuff on her father (whom now is presumed missing, and about to become Nosferatu), and she's about to enter cry-sleep (post-22. Apr.), and Alfred's about to become the new head of the family... all of which roughly puts Code: Veronica between 14 years and 14 years and 8 months after Alexia entering cryo-sleep. Which still fits reasonably well. 'Cause anything else would be implying that she's been asleep for nearly 16 years, and with these two so called "genius" siblings (at then age... 12-13?) being hilariously stupid (and impatient), would probably cut the time short (through proper research?), rather than spend an entire year extra in there "just to be sure", which is way much more than Alexia's 15 year calculation (which is of course also a topic we only vaguely know about from Alfred's Diary, which means that he might've not entered the final/accurate numbers there for when Alexia wants to awaken, and only entered a rough estimate based on "currently available data". And saying 15 years when there's potentially only a few months, or a year, difference (give or take) isn't uncommon anyway when doing an estimate.)

[Pikminister]

There was even one RE game that contradicted itself
(RE Zero and the "Ten years ago, Dr. Marcus was murdered by Umbrella." vs "Dr. Marcus (...) disappeared 20 years ago." case)

Actually, it was Marcus himself that set things straight in that regard (he was the one that said "10 years ago..."). The one that wrote the file you mention, wasn't written by Marcus but by a researcher who BTW, admits that he isn't well informed over what really happened to Marcus.

And Resident Evil and plotholes go together like Paris Hilton and herpes.

[Alexia_Ashford]

Anyway, at the end of the day, as far as so called "facts" go;
You don't know all the details.

Files from three separate games have told us it is (two of which give an exact date, one of which strongly suggests it). Obviously we're to expect change to canon from the Chronicles series as we did with UC, as gameplay made it impossible for the two characters to explore separately as to allow for a two player game, but I'm still absolutely baffled how someone at Capcom has stuck in Alexander being alive at Christmas '83. Usually it just retcons in-game events to make it relevant to the game (such as 2 people being somewhere that only one person is meant to be) or some other minor things like Sergei clones, not just changing a date. I spoke to Paul about it a week and a half ago or something. It's just completely unnecessary to stick a date in there, they could quite have easily just made the video but left the date out. Further more, a date completely contradicting it was released in a game this year, so it's not like it's retconning ancient, not widely known stuff, which sometimes happens. The date they've stated he's alive makes it practically impossible for the events of Code: Veronica to take place when they do. It's like saying the Raccoon City outbreak happened in 1999. It's annoying that such a big mistake was released into a trailer, so I hope to God there is some in-game explanation for it, though I can't think what they could possibly use to explain it. Gareth reckoned it could be a previous recording of him, while he's dead, saying the date because he knew what was gonna happen to him. It'd explain it but I still don't see why he'd do it or how he'd know.

I wouldn't mind if we get an explanation and a story-driven reason as to why it changed, but I'm in serious doubt we will. Everything I've seen so far just points towards it being an error, and I'm already very disappointed with the CV section as it is (other than the new character looks).