Favourite Resident Evil Character (No Jill drama)

[Vogue_Dirge]

Ada-face. Always was, and always will be <3

[The_15th]

Mr Blue!

I love how we have yet another Fave. Character poll, considering if you use the search there are at least two or three others (including yet another one just for females). Also dislike how the...

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[Alexia_Ashford]

Mr Blue!




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Rosetta is right. These topics can cause fighting and it's already had arguments, which we're trying to cut out. Please don't encourage it with comments like this.

[Inferno04]

I'm actually going the Outbreak route here myself with David King. Never knew why I liked him so much, I just do. I really like how he just kind of laughs the life-threatening issue away, walks through it casually with dark/cynical humor, and STILL manages to stay alive.

Albert Wesker is my second. He's a perfect mix of the villian that plans everything in the shadows, and the villian that actually takes action but never gets caught. He was deadly even before his virus.

[jagger916]

Well if it includes guys its always going to be Wesker.

[Vector]

Chris Redfield.

I first watched my uncle play RE1 when I was 7 or 8 years old. He played through each scenario for about 10 minutes, and chose to stick with Jill because Barry blows off the head of the first zombie with his magnum. I thought that was chicken-shit, so I liked playing as Chris...even as a child. Also, green was my favorite color at the time, and Chris wore green, so he became my favorite(kind of like how the Green Ranger was my favorite as well).

My username has a story also. When trying to think of what to sign up as here on THIA, it was down to my AIM screenname and my PSN ID...but I wanted something different. So I went with ChrisRedfield29. The significance? It was a screenname I created about 10 years ago to role-play with on AOL. Chris Redfield was my favorite character, and at the time, MTV was my favorite channel. MTV was on channel 29, so I made my screenname ChrisRedfield29.


The rest is history. Chris is my favorite, but that's where it ends. I recognize his faults and I don't worship him. He's a character in a video game. That's all. And this...is where I separate myself from fanboys.

[Pikminister]

He had quite a bit of sense of humour in Re4 but too serious attitude in degeneration IMO.

That's because Leon in Degeneration was based on Keanu "stoneface" Reeves*

Keanu has the same serious expression in his latest movies. That's Leon in Degeneration.

* BTW, "Stoneface" is a Buster Keaton reference.

Anyway, I voted for REmake Jill. The one seen in the remake, UC and that silly pachislot game. Basically, the one that looks like Julia Voth.

And that obviously excludes the RE5 version.

[Beanovsky Durst]

A bit off topicness.

Pikminister... Your signature image is the best thing I've seen in a while.
Jill Sandwiches FTW!!!

[RetroRain]

The only character I really like is Jill. I should say, the Jill of RE1 and RE3. I don't count the RE5 Jill. I didn't like the fact that:

A. She was controlled.
B. We were lead to believe she was dead.
C. They changed her appearance (long blonde hair, awful suits (both of them))
D. She was in the game period.

In my opinion Jill should have had no place in RE5. She was put in as fan service.

All the other characters, I could care less about.

Wesker: The most overrated RE character since day one
Ada: Overrated right underneath Wesker

[valentinesdead?]

That's because Leon in Degeneration was based on Keanu "stoneface" Reeves*

Keanu has the same serious expression in his latest movies. That's Leon in Degeneration.

* BTW, "Stoneface" is a Buster Keaton reference.

Anyway, I voted for REmake Jill. The one seen in the remake, UC and that silly pachislot game. Basically, the one that looks like Julia Voth.

And that obviously excludes the RE5 version.

Jill: She's simply the female face of the RE series for me; the most important female protagonist - strong and sexy but still feminine. I don't understand all the recent "Jill drama" (this is RE, not a soap opera), but I do think they raped her character in RE5 even more than they did Wesker's. Making her the "Princess Toadstool" that Chris had to rescue ruined a lot of the story for me. I hope she'll be in future RE games to come, although I'd prefer it if she returned to being brunette.

What is it with all this negative RE5/Jill sentiments? Why do some fans think they "ruined" Jill, Wesker, etc. The Jill in RE5 is the same Jill Valentine that was in Remake, RE3. Once Chris removed the P30 device, the character was Jill freakin' Valentine. I don't get how anyone can rationalize that Jill is ruined because of blonde hair? So what? Hair color doesn't have anything to do with a characters personalties, or motivations. All that is is aesthetic, yet that seems like what some people only care about. So she was a plot device in RE5 to enhance the Chris-Wesker rivarely? Well, duh? Jill's basically the love interest of Chris, and what better way for Wesker to get at Chris than to have Jill under his control and forcing her to fight him? It's one of the oldest stories in the book. Doesn't change the foundation of the character. Jill's time on screen wasn't much, but for what we got, it was good. As a Jill fan, it was great to see her in a real game again in modern graphics, since the last time was of course Remake.

Now, a valid complaint would be how Capcom blew their load on the whole Jill grave thing, and telegraphed it, like they didn't even care. I still say they missed an opportunty by not using a grown up Sherry in RE5. Hell, Sherry could have been Bird lady for an interesting twist.

[Jill's Boob]

Now, a valid complaint would be how Capcom blew their load on the whole Jill grave thing, and telegraphed it, like they didn't even care.

I guess you weren't here when every other post was:

"Jill's Dead. The series is ruined forever."

As for the hatred for RE5 Jill...I don't quite understand it either. Who fucking cares what color her hair is? It's the same character. Are these same people butthurt because Jill has different attire in 1, 3, REUC, and 5? Or am I just missing out on some sort of global revelation that hair color is directly proportional to character worth?

I liked that Jill's presence was the driving force for Chris in RE5. Anyone that has played any RE games knows that Chris is a person who cares deeply about his comrades/family. In RE1 he looks out for Rebecca & Richard, while searching for Jill/Barry/Wesker/other Bravo team members. In RECV he is on a quest to save Claire. In RE5 he is searching for any trace of Jill. It's not like they could just use Claire again in 5, since people would bitch about recycled stories. And he wouldn't be searching for Sherry since she has no ties to him. Plus, having seen the ending to RE1 & Jill's epilogue in RE3, it's obvious Chris & Jill are more than partners; thus the added motivation/driving force.

I think the Chris/Jill relationship might of had more of an impact in the first draft of the RE5 script, but that, and the most likely more intense Wesker rivalry were toned down to allow the co-op function. For instance, segments were removed to make the game more suitable to 2-players, etc. It's why I hate the addition of co-op even more.

Perhaps the biggest reason for the backlash is that Jill wasn't used enough for all of the rabid Jill fans. I can understand loving your favorite character, but just sit back and realize that she's been used more than any other RE protagonist.

[valentinesdead?]

I guess you weren't here when every other post was:

"Jill's Dead. The series is ruined forever."

As for the hatred for RE5 Jill...I don't quite understand it either. Who fucking cares what color her hair is? It's the same character. Are these same people butthurt because Jill has different attire in 1, 3, REUC, and 5? Or am I just missing out on some sort of global revelation that hair color is directly proportional to character worth?

I liked that Jill's presence was the driving force for Chris in RE5. Anyone that has played any RE games knows that Chris is a person who cares deeply about his comrades/family. In RE1 he looks out for Rebecca & Richard, while searching for Jill/Barry/Wesker/other Bravo team members. In RECV he is on a quest to save Claire. In RE5 he is searching for any trace of Jill. It's not like they could just use Claire again in 5, since people would bitch about recycled stories. And he wouldn't be searching for Sherry since she has no ties to him. Plus, having seen the ending to RE1 & Jill's epilogue in RE3, it's obvious Chris & Jill are more than partners; thus the added motivation/driving force.

I think the Chris/Jill relationship might of had more of an impact in the first draft of the RE5 script, but that, and the most likely more intense Wesker rivalry were toned down to allow the co-op function. For instance, segments were removed to make the game more suitable to 2-players, etc. It's why I hate the addition of co-op even more.

Perhaps the biggest reason for the backlash is that Jill wasn't used enough for all of the rabid Jill fans. I can understand loving your favorite character, but just sit back and realize that she's been used more than any other RE protagonist.

Exactly. Resident Evil has always been a series with a large number of rotating protagonist. It's just the way it is.

As far as RE5 as a game, yeah, I think it really is evident that they "forced" co-op on it, in favor of trying to catch on to the "fad" of co-op, instead of delivering a great game. But also, is it me, or did Capcom treat the story a bit too timidly because they were afraid of alieniating new fans or casual gamers with gobs of backstory. There is a very good plot to RE5, but unfortunately, most of it is found in the Files Menu. I honestly wish Capcom would have taken the Hideo Kojima MGS4 route and given RE fans a true love letter of a game, and said to hell with the causal auidence. But that's takes some balls, and Shinji Mikami was the balls of the Resident Evil franchise sadly. Instead, we got a game that story thread doesn't get interesting until almost 2/3 the way through.


But as far as the phenomon with Jill, I think its more an extension of the overall factured Re fanbase. While yes, you are correct, I wasn't here during that time. And even when I joined, I stayed the HELL away from the Jill thread because I didn't want to get spoiled by anything, the reactions, annoyingly, remind me of a few years ago on the gamefaqs boards(I used to read quite a few of those back in the day, but never did post there). I remember when RE4 was first revealed, how everyone went APESHIT about the changes. Or a large proportion of the fanbase anyways. "Oh no zombies, oh no "tank" controls., oh, its not scary anymore! RE is DEAD!" And obviously it got worse once RE4 actually came out.

I mean, I'll never defend RE4 as far as story, writing, plot(other than, its at least well-voice acted and mindlessly entertaining), but RE4 is one of the best made games of all time. I've played it probably 14 times through during the first 3 years, and would play it even now if I had a Wii(the ps2 version is shit ugly and the controller god-awful). And yet, there's so many people who want to hate it compared to the old games, when in reality, without RE4, the series would have continued it's decline into niche-city, and eventually died. For proof of that, just look how much shit RE5's control scheme got for not "run n gun", which is so fucking riduclous, but never-the-less, the masses complained like drone robots. The original RE system was great for its time--based around Playstation hardware limitations, but that time has long past, and yet some of the fanbase simply won't or don't accept the change, almost deluding themselves by simply casting off RE4 and RE5 as simply not "Resident Evil." How immature.

RE5 isn't as well polished as 4, but still a worthwhile game. It'll be up to Capcom and RE6 for the series to regain the throne, but also, for Capcom, and hopefully, a chance to unsplit the fanbase again. Why must fans love one style of game and yet hate the other? I like both, but I do prefer the new style, but there's nothing wrong with prefering the old style. It's the mindless insult throwing about the one or the other that's annoying to read.

But my point is, a good number of fans seem to fall into that line of "no change, or it sucks" school of thought, even to the point of, as discussed before, hair color of all things.

[Det. Beauregard]

What is it with all this negative RE5/Jill sentiments? Why do some fans think they "ruined" Jill, Wesker, etc. The Jill in RE5 is the same Jill Valentine that was in Remake, RE3. Once Chris removed the P30 device, the character was Jill freakin' Valentine. I don't get how anyone can rationalize that Jill is ruined because of blonde hair? So what? Hair color doesn't have anything to do with a characters personalties, or motivations. All that is is aesthetic, yet that seems like what some people only care about. So she was a plot device in RE5 to enhance the Chris-Wesker rivarely? Well, duh? Jill's basically the love interest of Chris, and what better way for Wesker to get at Chris than to have Jill under his control and forcing her to fight him? It's one of the oldest stories in the book. Doesn't change the foundation of the character. Jill's time on screen wasn't much, but for what we got, it was good. As a Jill fan, it was great to see her in a real game again in modern graphics, since the last time was of course Remake.

The hair color thing didn't bother me that much; I just said I preferred her as brunette. I'm aware that the P30 drug caused her skin and hair to turn more pale, and even if it wasn't and she had dyed her hair blonde it's really not a big deal!

I agree with Logical Operand; what bothered me the most is that she was controlled. I found the whole mind-control thing with the plagas in RE4 to be utterly ridiculous, and in RE5 with the P30 device on Jill it was no different (except that it was luckily reversible). I simply found that part of the plot (hell, most of the plot) to be completely ridiculous. It was good to see Jill in RE5, don't get me wrong - it's just that I think the way she appeared (the P30 device, as well as the zero-G suit) felt like some bad sci-fi movie and not Resident Evil.

I enjoyed the flashback scene with Chris and Jill fighting Wesker after he had killed Spencer, but they left things unexplained as to how Wesker saved Jill from that fall. It just seems a bit far-fetched that she survived; of course, I'm glad she did. I liked the BSAA Jill a lot, and if she returns in a future RE game, I wouldn't mind seeing her like that.

I may be nitpicking about the hair/suit thing a bit, but honestly, when you've come to see a character in a certain way, a drastic change like that is going to make a difference for the fans. If Wesker appeared in a clown suit during the Spencer estate flashback fight, would anyone have taken him seriously in the later stages of the game?

I think it would have been cool if Jill had been dressed similar to Wesker; maybe like that alternate costume image (never finalized) for Remake:



I know I'm being picky, but in the end, the thing that really matters is that Jill is alive and may return to the series eventually.

[Pikminister]

What is it with all this negative RE5/Jill sentiments? Why do some fans think they "ruined" Jill, Wesker, etc. The Jill in RE5 is the same Jill Valentine that was in Remake, RE3. Once Chris removed the P30 device, the character was Jill freakin' Valentine.

I simply stated that my fave version of Jill is the one Kenichirou Yoshimura created for the REmake. "REmake Jill". I dunno what you assumed that I meant to say.

The face model in RE5 was indeed based on the one used in REmake but they screwed it up by altering the features to either match the face model from RE3 or simply to make her look different. Just like they did to Rebecca Chambers in Zero (she looks different from how she looks in REmake).

Fact is, Jill on RE5 has a sharply-triangular face, the one in REmake doesn't. By doing that they made her nose look longer than it was. Too big for such a small face. The eyes were messed around with as well. Those changes fu**ed up the face model used previously. To the point that she no longer looks like REmake Jill or Julia Voth. I know Jill is a lot more than good looks and eventually she'll look hot again someday. But as of now, Sheva takes the crown as beauty queen in RE5. Followed by Excella. And then Wesker (I kid)

Anywhoo, I simply like REmake Jill best in terms of the face model. Not the one from RE5. I wasn't talking about the character itself. I have no serious problems with what they did with her in RE5 regarding her personality and what she does in said game.

So no, I don't hate Jill from RE5. I just don't agree with how they screwed up her face. That's about it.

[Det. Beauregard]

The face model in RE5 was indeed based on the one used in REmake but they screwed it up by altering the features to either match the face model from RE3 or simply to make her look different. Just like they did to Rebecca Chambers in Zero (she looks different from how she looks in REmake).

Fact is, Jill on RE5 has a sharply-triangular face, the one in REmake doesn't. By doing that they made her nose look longer than it was. Too big for such a small face. The eyes were messed around with as well. Those changes fu**ed up the face model used previously. To the point that she no longer looks like REmake Jill or Julia Voth.

Well, Jill is 10+ years older...

Also, I don't remember Rebecca looking very different from Zero to Remake. I'll have to check that out.