Favourite Resident Evil Character (No Jill drama)

[Jill's Boob]

B. We were lead to believe she was dead.

Did anyone actually believe that she was dead? I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone with a lick of common sense that thought she was actually kaput.

C. They changed her appearance (long blonde hair, awful suits (both of them))

Her blonde hair is the same exact hairstyle she had as BSAA Jill (brunette). And is it technically blonde? Her hair follicles died per the file, thus meaning she had grey/silver hair.

As for her outfits...BSAA Jill looks far cooler (and believable) than:
- RE1 (beret and shoulder pads? C'mon...)
- RE3 (street walker)

E. What is with the fighting style? This is not the Matrix, this is Resident Evil.

RE3, RECV, and especially RE4 would like to have a word with you.

She was put in as fan service.

I suppose. But if you look at RE1, Jill's RE3 epilogue file, and the 4th scenario in REUC, they all point to the fact that Jill & Chris go hand-in-hand (literally in the original RE1 ending). She was put in as a means to drive the story.

[RetroRain]

RE3, RECV, and especially RE4 would like to have a word with you.

Where was there matrix-like action in RE3? If there was it didn't stand out very much. It was no way near the matrix-action in RE5. And the reason RECV didn't bother me that much because it was the last old-style cannon RE game before the series went to the new style, and the matrix-like scenes weren't as plentiful as they were in RE5. RE4 and RE5 are the new style, and having the matrix-like action sequences in these 2 games is ridiculous because Capcom has literally gone out of their way to make these games as action-oriented as possible. That's why I like to pretend RE4 and RE5 didn't exist. What made Resident Evil is the old-style that Resident Evil was. Not this action crap we've been getting.

[valentinesdead?]

I named 4 points earlier, but I'm adding a fifth one. I didn't like the fact that:

A. She was controlled.
B. We were lead to believe she was dead.
C. They changed her appearance (long blonde hair, awful suits (both of them))
D. She was in the game, period.
E. What is with the fighting style? This is not the Matrix, this is Resident Evil.

In my opinion Jill should have had no place in RE5. She was put in as fan service.

And while we are at it, I like to pretend that RE4 and RE5 never existed. Seriously. I enjoy having the series as it is at the end of Code Veronica.

A-How is Jill being controlled a strike against her character? It's a plot point Wesker used for her personal gain, and then to get at Chris. Doesn't reflect her character in the slightest because it was against her will(obviously). If you think the plot point is stupid, fine, but honestly has nothing to do with how Jill IS actually portrayed in the game Pre- and post P30.

B--"We were lead to believe she was dead." Only those naive enough to believe such a thing. Actually, the whole gravestone teaser was the first real confirmation that Jill would be IN the game; it was really only a question of how. There is no way Capcom would kill Jill Valentine, one of the foudning protagonist of the RE series, off screen. Just won't happen. That'd be about the same as killing Chris Redfield off-screen, or hell, even Wesker. Of course, that's not to say she couldn't have died by the end of RE5, which, would have been fine by me as long as it was an EPIC death, and had a reason to push Chris's psyche even further. I remember some people would say as long as they would explain her death, but come on, that goes directly against basic storytelling 101. It was just a teaser to get fans a tizzy, and judging by the results, it worked better than Capcom ever could have hoped.

C--Do you honestly expect a character to look the same after 10 years have passed? Really? Again with the physical stuff. Not a valid arguement at all.

D--"She was in the game period?". . .okay. . .last I checked, this was a resident evil game. I dont' see why it's so surprising she was in it.

E--Sorry to break it to you, but the matrix stuff was born in Code Veronica(i.e. Wesker). Wesker several times whoops Claire and Chris super-speed style.

As as far as Jill and fan service goes--looking at how fans have reacted, I'd say they did quite the opposite. The real kind of lazy "fan" service would have been to just put Jill as she was, brunnette, short hair, and the tube top so fanboys can oogle at her chest. Fan service would have been Jill as a co-op partner. Instead, Capcom took a real risk with the character and chose to use her to help enhance the Chris-Wesker rivarly. This wasn't meant to be a Jill-centric story. The rivarly isn't between Wesker and Jill, therefore, the story simply wasn't really hers, yet she had an important role to play in it because she IS connected to Chris(Jill is obviously very important to Chris afterall). I suppose that's what "Jill" fans are really steamed about--she wasn't the main character. Well, too bad. The story's been told. It's finished.

The real problem with Jill's usage in RE5 is how predictable it turned out. Capcom basically telegraphed it prior to the games release--not a good move on there part by a long shot, but it is what it is.

In the end, if you really don't care so much for RE4/RE5, why not just quit bitching about them and find something more constructive to do? Resident Evil is whatever the game designers choose it too be. You certainly don't have to agree with what they think it is, or anybody else, but crying over spilt milk won't do nothing to change it. The "classic" Re style of game boat sailed off long ago. It ain't coming back(horror on the other hand, however, mostly likely will in RE6).

I'm sorry if this comes across as a flame, but its not. It's just that blind bashing of the newer games, or how characters have been "ruined" is getting rather old. When a tv show or movie series is "ruined", I don't usually pay attention to it anymore. Nothing will come of it.

[Yzak]

Lol at the title that it needs to be added period. And double lol that it's happening again anyway.

ANYWAY though. Overall favorite? Probably Wesker, though Carlos and Billy are kind of in that area too since I adored them both. ;;b But Wesker's always been a constant love of mine since the older RE games, and since he was around so much I was also so happy when any new canon-stuff came out.

[Darkmoon]

It's not drama this time though. And if this thread descends into such...

[Mr. Rod]

I choose Jill, why? Because I have fond memories with her character. I played with her on my first RE game ever (RE3 back in 99) and then again in the original RE1. I like her strong will, care and the fact she's been through hell a bit more than the rest of the main 4 (double crossed by both her former captain AND Barry!, chased by Nemesis, infected with the T-virus, tackled Wesker to save Chris and later on was experimented and "helped" to produce a lethal new virus...) So yeah, she rocks

Also, props to valentinesdead? for giving us Jill fans a good name for once lol It's nice to not see Jill and drama combined for a while!

[Vector]

I didn't like Jill in RE5 because she was used as a really terrible plot device. I used to like her a lot. Really, I did. She was my second-favorite character after Chris for as long as I could remember, and now I don't know if she's in my top 5 anymore(RE5 left a really bad taste in my mouth...give it a few more months). I didn't like the idea of 'mind control' with P30 and I just thought both Jill fights were really, really ridiculous. Even on my first playthrough, I was like..."wow, really?" Really cliched, not very well-thought out, and really lame all around. It was like someone at Capcom woke up one day and said "hey, let's put Jill in the game" a very long time into development and really didn't think of an intelligent or non-cliched way of incorporating her.

Jill Valentine the character is still there...and she's still great. Pre-RE5 Jill is still a favorite character of mine, but her mind-numbingly stupid portrayal in RE5 along with the disgusting ridiculousness of her fanboys bringing her up in every topic and conversation has driven me to not like her nearly as much as I used to anymore. And it's sad.

[The_15th]

along with the disgusting ridiculousness of her fanboys bringing her up in every topic and conversation has driven me to not like her nearly as much as I used to anymore. And it's sad.

That's why I try not to post too much, so nobody gets sick of hearing Outbreak praise.

[valentinesdead?]

I didn't like Jill in RE5 because she was used as a really terrible plot device. I used to like her a lot. Really, I did. She was my second-favorite character after Chris for as long as I could remember, and now I don't know if she's in my top 5 anymore(RE5 left a really bad taste in my mouth...give it a few more months). I didn't like the idea of 'mind control' with P30 and I just thought both Jill fights were really, really ridiculous. Even on my first playthrough, I was like..."wow, really?" Really cliched, not very well-thought out, and really lame all around. It was like someone at Capcom woke up one day and said "hey, let's put Jill in the game" a very long time into development and really didn't think of an intelligent or non-cliched way of incorporating her.

Jill Valentine the character is still there...and she's still great. Pre-RE5 Jill is still a favorite character of mine, but her mind-numbingly stupid portrayal in RE5 along with the disgusting ridiculousness of her fanboys bringing her up in every topic and conversation has driven me to not like her nearly as much as I used to anymore. And it's sad.

Fair enough. For me, it's not so much the conept or idea of P30(I think they should have made that device on her chest contain a plaga that controlled her while also regulating the P30 drug in her system. . .something like that) controlling Jill, but how terribly Capcom dropped the anvil on the player pre-release and hell, even in the game. It was more or less anti-climatic. That's the issue I have. I wish they had never even mentioned Jill at all prior to the game's release(or shown as many cutscenes in the trailers that they did). I think that's what sours it in the end for some people. Otherwise, it might have been more engaging of a plot point(and a hell of a surprise).

I still think they should have used Sherry in some capacity to give off mis-direction. It just seems natural to me, based on prior information, she would be working as an agent under Wesker, led to believe she was doing what her father and mother wanted(Uncle Wesker anyone?).

There certainly could have been more to the whole Jill angle, but Capcom dropped the anvil on the player over and over again. And in storytelling, you don't do that. It insults the player's intelligence, and that's kinda what the whole Jill angle did since they spelled it out so clearly beforehand.

But as far as letting "jill" fans ruin your enjoyment of the character, I don't get that quite honestly. It's the same with my pal nemesiswontdie. He's so ANTI-Jill because of some of the postings and rants and raves by certain people on this board, its like you, it make's him "dislike" the character. I guess I just can't really comprehend that. Jill is still my favorite character(along with Wesker), but nothing no one, no matter how rabid a point of view, has affected my opinons on RE characters or games. The actual games and their content should do that. But, *shrugs*, if that's how you feel, then that's your business,

Also, props to valentinesdead? for giving us Jill fans a good name for once lol It's nice to not see Jill and drama combined for a while!

Thanks for the compliment. I very much apperciate it!

EDIT*** I would also like to add that I think, over time, RE5's story will age better over time for most fans, generally, which is the exact opposite of RE4's story(which is nearly uneventful as far as consequences in the series go). I think some are soured because of how hyped out the ass RE5 was. It was supposed to be the second coming of christ, but in the end, it ended up being just a better than average(but still very fun) game. It wasn't as polished and well-designed as RE4, but it's story easily trumps RE4's. But Re5's story has its own problems as well. Its almost like there at opposite ends of the spectrum when you think about it. They both aren't the grand package of excellent gaming and advancing storytelling. Maybe RE6 will find that pitch-perfect balance. . .

[Vector]

But as far as letting "jill" fans ruin your enjoyment of the character, I don't get that quite honestly. It's the same with my pal nemesiswontdie. He's so ANTI-Jill because of some of the postings and rants and raves by certain people on this board, its like you, it make's him "dislike" the character. I guess I just can't really comprehend that. Jill is still my favorite character(along with Wesker), but nothing no one, no matter how rabid a point of view, has affected my opinons on RE characters or games. The actual games and their content should do that. But, *shrugs*, if that's how you feel, then that's your business,

I've never let fanboyism bother me before, because I had never seen it to the extent that I've seen some Jill fans act by exalting her character above the actual series. Loving a character is one thing, but making a character the end-all be-all by making them part of your everyday life and CONSTANTLY posting about them is something that really got on my nerves, and still does. I began to hate the fanboys, and in turn, began to dislike Jill.

[Alexia_Ashford]

I can agree to an extent. It's like a nice pie. The first time you eat it it's really nice. If you had the same pie for 6 months every night, you'd get sick of it and probably end up hating it. I like Jill, I think RE3 Jill is fantastic, I love her sense of courage and justice, but when you read so much about her, it gets a bit much seeing her in-game too.

[Bertha]

I've never let fanboyism bother me before, because I had never seen it to the extent that I've seen some Jill fans act by exalting her character above the actual series. Loving a character is one thing, but making a character the end-all be-all by making them part of your everyday life and CONSTANTLY posting about them is something that really got on my nerves, and still does. I began to hate the fanboys, and in turn, began to dislike Jill.

I can agree to an extent. It's like a nice pie. The first time you eat it it's really nice. If you had the same pie for 6 months every night, you'd get sick of it and probably end up hating it. I like Jill, I think RE3 Jill is fantastic, I love her sense of courage and justice, but when you read so much about her, it gets a bit much seeing her in-game too.

This and this. As I said before...I too used to adore Jill. Though a combination of what she was in RE5 and her rabid fans tainting any topic with her name has really made me think twice. I want to like Jill again. I really do. But for me, there are just a few other characters I'd like to see more of, so I think she needs to take a back seat. Jill has been the poster child for the RE franchise, appearing in more games than any other character. And anyone saying she wasn't complete fan service in the Pachislot videos must be completely blind. Capcom knows Jill is excellent fan service material, and I think that is another reason for my slowly growing distaste for her.

[Carnivol]

This better not be "Jill drama" I'm smelling here now!

[Rock it.]

... but when you read so much about her, it gets a bit much seeing her in-game too.

A bit? I can't stand Jill anymore. The fanboy-ism surrounding her is just plain... annoying. It's like when 10 of your friends bad-mouth another friend of yours for an extensive period of time. It eventually gets to you, and you start to get uncomfortable around that person. It's something to that effect that's happening to Jill. On the other hand, I started liking Leon more when everyone suddenly turned on him - RE4 stands as my favorite TPS of all time! Go figure.

[Vector]

This better not be "Jill drama" I'm smelling here now!

Jill Drama.