Favourite Resident Evil Character (No Jill drama)

[Alexia_Ashford]

Just human nature, I guess. I think Leon's a little dumb in RE4 but I think he's great in RE2. Until Code: Veronica, he was actually my favourite character. I remember in Year 5 in school I actually wrote a short story and the main character was called Leon S. Kennedy. XD (Year 5 in the UK is a year before you leave primary school, and go to Secondary School (High school in the US). People probably think I'm an Alexia fangirl and that's what got me into the series, but I was a Resident Evil fangirl (collecting the games, action figures etc) while I was still in school, long before CV came out. I'm a Resident Evil fangirl first, Alexia fangirl second. She is cool though, come off it.

I've never liked REmake Jill, I just don't like her model. I think she is a lot prettier in RE3 and I prefer her voice. Obviously I've never liked her character for any sexual reasons, but I just found her sense of justice in RE3 really inspiring and she was one tough cookie. The first clip in RE3 where she talks about the "wheels of justice" and people not having the courage to fight, sometimes I still get goosebumps at that. Nothing compared to the Alexia cutscenes though. When I watch them, I look like I've stuck a wet finger into my plug socket. Let's not bait the Jill fans anyway, some people like her, some don't. If you want a brawl, watch WWE.

[Red Queen]

I've always liked Jill, ever since the first time I played RE1. I was just a kid so Jill was like a model to me. My fascination on her has not decreased because of RE5. Actually, my fascination on the series has decreased and I cannot blame a character or two for this. I really like RE2 Leon and he is one of my favorite characters as well, I cannot blame the characters for the things done in RE4. They are changing the nature of many characters, the characters are more "ninja" now, THAT makes me feel bad about the series, not the characters themselves. So I still like Jill, but not because of RE5, but because of her past in the series, the same about Leon.

[Rock it.]

Just human nature, I guess. I think Leon's a little dumb in RE4 but I think he's great in RE2.

I'm actually liking him more in RE4. He's a badass. Sure, some people DO think that a badass does not fit into RE due to it's somewhat realistic nature, but the fan hate only adds to his badass-ness. And that's badass.

If you want a brawl, watch WWE.

WWE is mostly payper view here in Brazil, but it's free on THIA !

[valentinesdead?]

I've never let fanboyism bother me before, because I had never seen it to the extent that I've seen some Jill fans act by exalting her character above the actual series. Loving a character is one thing, but making a character the end-all be-all by making them part of your everyday life and CONSTANTLY posting about them is something that really got on my nerves, and still does. I began to hate the fanboys, and in turn, began to dislike Jill.

Yes. Fanboyism is no good, whether its the console wars, Old RE vs New RE, or having numerous post that are Jill-centric.

I can agree to an extent. It's like a nice pie. The first time you eat it it's really nice. If you had the same pie for 6 months every night, you'd get sick of it and probably end up hating it. I like Jill, I think RE3 Jill is fantastic, I love her sense of courage and justice, but when you read so much about her, it gets a bit much seeing her in-game too.

Too much of a good thing is a bad thing. Pretty much goes for anything. I agree.

This and this. As I said before...I too used to adore Jill. Though a combination of what she was in RE5 and her rabid fans tainting any topic with her name has really made me think twice. I want to like Jill again. I really do. But for me, there are just a few other characters I'd like to see more of, so I think she needs to take a back seat. Jill has been the poster child for the RE franchise, appearing in more games than any other character. And anyone saying she wasn't complete fan service in the Pachislot videos must be completely blind. Capcom knows Jill is excellent fan service material, and I think that is another reason for my slowly growing distaste for her.

There's a pattern forming here. It's starting to resemble a group therapy session! "Victims of Jill fanboyism Annoymous."

Though, back to a serious note, hearing such things makes me glad I never touched, nor went anywhere near that Jill thread till AFTER I beat the game. . .I suppose it saved me from the anguish and madness that must have rocked THIA on a daily basis. I guess it helps I didn't really join till Feb either.

Anyways, as far as giving characters a rest, with Wesker gone, what is there really for Chris and Jill to contribute to the series? Other than say, by the time RE8 or nine hits, one of the main characters is Chris Redfield Jr. . .

[valentinesdead?]

but I just found her sense of justice in RE3 really inspiring and she was one tough cookie. The first clip in RE3 where she talks about the "wheels of justice" and people not having the courage to fight

You actaully hit on something very, very true there Alexia. That's really one of the most fundamental and attractive characterizations of both Jill AND Chris. They're both about that sense of justice, and fighting for what's right and against what's wrong. Light and dark. Wesker was the dark to their light.

Actually, that's what SD Perry brought out in Jill too in the nemesis novel. She, for the most part, understood the Jill character. Unlike that bloke Paul Anderson, who thinks of Jill as a walking, smoking, cursing, billboard of bitchyness. Of course, that's what he thinks of ANY RE character(just look at Claire in Extinction, bleh. I vomit just thinking about it). Chris and Jill aren't superheros or anything, but there's simply a righteousness at the core of the characters that is immsenly appealing.

[Pikminister]

I've never liked REmake Jill, I just don't like her model. I think she is a lot prettier in RE3 and I prefer her voice.

Obviously, you gotta realize that some fans are going to feel about REmake Jill what you feel about Jill as seen in RE3. It's all a matter of opinion and liking her in either game doesn't disqualify said opinions on the character model or her persona .

...but I just found her sense of justice in RE3 really inspiring and she was one tough cookie. The first clip in RE3 where she talks about the "wheels of justice" and people not having the courage to fight, sometimes I still get goosebumps at that....

Well, it's not like before falling into Wesker's trap as seen in RE1, had Jill experienced something so dang extreme.

Several of her comrades died before her eyes. So hell yeah, she changed. It was after the Mansion incident (and seeing first hand what Umbrella was up to with it's "research") that we get to see this new Jill that has been transformed and is out to bring Umbrella to justice.

And who needs therapy? The ones that get the vapors when they fave character gets dissed or the ones following a character that is not playing with a full deck of cards and has just plain gone loco (i.e. Alexia)

[RetroRain]

If you think the plot point is stupid, fine

That is what I meant by letter A.

B--"We were lead to believe she was dead." Only those naive enough to believe such a thing.

I agree. But that is not what I meant by that. I should have re-phrased it. As with letter A, I thought the plot point was stupid and pointless.

C--Do you honestly expect a character to look the same after 10 years have passed? Really?

No, I don't. But I simply didn't like the way she looked. Obviously she should look older, but I didn't like the fact that she had long blonde hair, and her suits were awful. Remember the teasers of RE5, before the game came out? They showed a small clip of a blonde-haired girl in what appeared to be a watered chamber, and everyone thought it might be Sherry? When I found out that it was really supposed to be Jill, I thought it was stupid. Jill doesn't look anything like her versions in RE1 and RE3. To sum it up, I just didn't like her appearance in this game at all. It was awful.

D--"She was in the game period?". . .okay. . .last I checked, this was a resident evil game. I dont' see why it's so surprising she was in it.

I simply felt she didn't belong in the game. The theme of RE3 was "The Last Escape." She escaped from the nightmare twice, and now she is back again a 3rd time? Bad enough she is back, but the way she was used plot-wise was horrible. It was clear they put her in as fan service. I would have rathered she not be in the game at all than to be used horribly. Which would you prefer? A half-ass job or not have it done at all?

E--Sorry to break it to you, but the matrix stuff was born in Code Veronica(i.e. Wesker). Wesker several times whoops Claire and Chris super-speed style.

Yeah, it was bad enough with Wesker doing these matrix moves. That I could handle, because he was the main villain. But when they had Jill doing these crazy manuevers, it was just ridiculous.

In the end, if you really don't care so much for RE4/RE5, why not just quit bitching about them and find something more constructive to do? Resident Evil is whatever the game designers choose it too be. You certainly don't have to agree with what they think it is, or anybody else, but crying over spilt milk won't do nothing to change it.

As a fan of the old style that made Resident Evil what it was, I have the right to voice my opinion on how shitty RE4 and RE5 were. I agree that bitching about it all the time can probably be annoying, but fans are allowed to voice their opinions. Especially in hopes that Capcom will read and listen to what their fans have to say. And from what I understand, Capcom does read what goes on in the RE community (Capcom-Unity). If I feel that RE4/RE5 isn't what Resident Evil is about, I want them to know that.

The "classic" Re style of game boat sailed off long ago. It ain't coming back

And you know it isn't coming back because???

That's not true. It could come back as easily as tomorrow. That's just YOUR opinion.

[Beef_jerky_yo]

Always will be, always has been, Rebecca FTW!

[Jill's Boob]

^Yeah, go Rebecca! Less than 6% of the votes!

Saying "Rebecca FTW" is like Ralph Wiggum saying "Go banana" while racing one against Bart's apple, Nelson's orange, and Milhouse's grapefruit.

*Will anyone get this reference?

[GuardhouseMusic]

Das Bus, Season 9. "Internet, eh?...Scratch, eh?...Maude, eh?"

I've always liked Jill in RE3 for the same reason that Alexia has. The effect that the mansion had on her was noticeable and her newfound frostiness kinda reminded me of Ellen Ripley. Let's not forget though that her plot-based RE1 iteration was a sexist meek damsel...so the change may have seemed extreme. I enjoy her REmake version though too, they made her less naive.

[Alexia_Ashford]

Obviously, you gotta realize that some fans are going to feel about REmake Jill what you feel about Jill as seen in RE3. It's all a matter of opinion and liking her in either game doesn't disqualify said opinions on the character model or her persona .

When did I say it did? I seem to recall saying I simply prefer her RE3 model and VA.

[Pikminister]

When did I say it did? I seem to recall saying I simply prefer her RE3 model and VA.

Oh don't get the vapors, dude. I simply felt that there was no need for you to consider your opinions and rants relating Jill as something close to being "bait" for her ardent supporters. You opinion should be considered as valid as any opinions coming from other users.

So I was actually defending your view or opinion on this issue but also pointing out that alternate views on it should also be considered valid and expressing them here or anywhere doesn't have to turn into a drama-fest.

That is all. Peace.

[valentinesdead?]

I"m only going to make a breif reply, because quite frankly, I think you've proven my point. I know without saying another word you've already got your mind made up, and to hell with any logical evidence brought forth to your attention, but nevertheless, I'll let the THIA communty decide who's right. . .


[QUOTE=Logical Operand;123648]

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No, I don't. But I simply didn't like the way she looked. Obviously she should look older, but I didn't like the fact that she had long blonde hair, and her suits were awful.

You do realize this comes off as nothing more than pure grade A fanboy wanking? "OMG, Jill isn't sexually attractive to me anymore becuase of BLONDE HAIR and BAD OUTFITS! She's SO RUINED!" Please, get over it. Her hair's blonde now. So what?

Remember the teasers of RE5, before the game came out? They showed a small clip of a blonde-haired girl in what appeared to be a watered chamber, and everyone thought it might be Sherry? When I found out that it was really supposed to be Jill, I thought it was stupid.

You talkin' about this picture?



Now this isn't the actual image that Famitsu printed when the first RE5 trailer was released, but uh, its pretty much the same. I"m not about to say I was 100% sure it was Jill, but I remember when I first saw that pic--two things stood out to me. 1. The face looked like Jill's(the doubt was that her eyes were closed) and 2.I didn't know Sherry had such a big bust size. So I really thought it was a good chance it was Jill, and once they showed off the blonde girl in the red dress, Sherry speculation jumped over to that, but it was kind of obvious then that "tube girl" and "blonde girl in red dress" couldn't be one in the same. Not to say one could have been Sherry and a new character still, but then. . .




This shot was used in the E3 2008 Alternate Trailer(though the actual screenshot is from the game--I can't get an MP4 version to take a capture from, damn WMA). In the actual shot in the trailer, the camera is zoomed in on Jill, or back then, "bird lady". I couldn't help but feel that the bottom lip and chin stuck out to me as Remake's Jill model. It seemed way too much a concidence, but I STILL didn't rule out the possiblity of it being someone else. .. until the TGS trailer, when Capcom started dropping anvils over our heads.. You might think it was "stupid", but if people were paying more attention than they probably were, they might have figured it out. Though, why should i think that when back in the day, people aruged on whether it was Chris Redfield or friggin Billy Coen in the very first Re5 teaser released in 2005, and it wasn't until 2 friggin 7000 that it had to be *confirmed* it was Chris.(All you had to do was look at Chris's remake model and you'd know it was him).

Jill doesn't look anything like her versions in RE1 and RE3.

That's actually about the only point your right on. Jill's RE5 model looks nothing from the original RE1 and RE3 games on the playstation. No, in RE5, she looks EXACTLY the same as her Remake and UC model, sans blonde hair and paler skin. Don't believe me?




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I simply felt she didn't belong in the game. The theme of RE3 was "The Last Escape." She escaped from the nightmare twice, and now she is back again a 3rd time? Bad enough she is back, but the way she was used plot-wise was horrible.

What the hell are you talking about? She escaped Raccoon City not to save her own ass, but to join Chris and Barry to "take down Umbrella," or whatever Capcom declares to retcon the *delay* in that too. In UC, she's still with Chris, working together with the eventual goal of taking down Umbrella and finding Wesker. She's a founding member of the BSAA. What would you have wanted to happen? Her to have just actually been killed off in the flashback, or just be unexpectedly missing from Chris's side with NO explanation. Yeah, that really makes alot of sense. If Jill had been the co-op partner, I suppose it would have satisfied the hardcore fanboys. . .(nevermind that takes out the possiblity of characterizing the Chris/Jill relationship--even with Sheva, things in "toned-down")

It was clear they put her in as fan service.

Fan service was Jill's RE3 outfit. Seriously dude. People throw this term around when they don't like something, just the same as they love to say "X retconned this or that.", without the slightest clue what the hell they're talking about. But RE3's a Jill game, and a game you like, so it can't have any fan service! No way!

Yeah, it was bad enough with Wesker doing these matrix moves. That I could handle, because he was the main villain. But when they had Jill doing these crazy manuevers, it was just ridiculous.

P30 would disagree with you. . .

As a fan of the old style that made Resident Evil what it was, I have the right to voice my opinion on how shitty RE4 and RE5 were. I agree that bitching about it all the time can probably be annoying, but fans are allowed to voice their opinions. Especially in hopes that Capcom will read and listen to what their fans have to say. And from what I understand, Capcom does read what goes on in the RE community (Capcom-Unity). If I feel that RE4/RE5 isn't what Resident Evil is about, I want them to know that.

Your right! You absolutely have the right to voice your opinion how "shitty" RE4 and RE5 were. You *also* have the right e-mail capcom and contact them DIRECTLY versues bitching without any real substance over and over again on a forum Capcom may or may not be reading. If you want Capcom to know, contact THEM. But I think the community members of THIA are tired(I know I am) of baseless comments and bashings. You want to have a intellectual debate about something you don't like in RE4 or RE5?That's fine and dandy, but a couple sentence "arguments" aren't going to get you anywhere. Also, it would simply be a courtesy to the members and I here to not have to see comments that have been made HUNDREDS of times already by various other Anti-RE4/RE5/New Re/Jill's ruined/Wesker's ruined! post.

Seriously.

And you know it isn't coming back because???

That's not true. It could come back as easily as tomorrow. That's just YOUR opinion.

Yep, it sure could. And pigs can fly too, you know. Just look at Re4 and RE5's sales figure, and you tell me whether the "old-school" RE has a snowball's chance in hot weather of coming back. ELEMENTS of the old-school RE titles may make their return in RE6(I really think so, namely horror, puzzles), but the current camera system ain't going no anywhere. Capcom would be complete idiots if they went back with the "static camera angles," because of a few fans simple whinings. And my opinion has nothing to do with the Old RE's(I love them), or New RE's(I love them too), but the simple fact the game industry has CHANGED over the last 10 years, and as I mentioned before, just look at the absolute SHITSTORM that RE5 recevied for not having a "run n gun" movemnt, which, was so ridiuclous(it's more like "walk n gun GTA4 style maybe), but with the industry brainwashed thinking every single game HAS TO control like Gears of War or Call of Duty, if a new main game was produced that had the original's "tank" controls, Resident Evil would be cruxcified on a cross by critics and ignorant gamers. That's just simply the way the industry is, for better or worse.

And with that, I"m done. I know where this will head if I continue, and as the title of this thread states (NO JILL DRAMA), so that's all I have to say.

Peace.

. . .almost forgot *clicks to vote for Jill in pole*(sorry Wesker. . .)

[Pikminister]

Jill's RE5 model looks nothing from the original RE1 and RE3 games on the playstation. No, in RE5, she looks EXACTLY the same as her Remake and UC model, sans blonde hair and paler skin. Don't believe me?




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RE5 Jill was based in REmake Jill alright. Again, she's based on that face model. She just doesn't look exactly like that model. And I'm not talking about the yellow hair and weird costume either.

Jill in RE5 has a thinner triangular face. Remake Jill face has a distinctive jaw line that is more pear shape than triangular. And for Chris-sakes look at that nose. Looks longer due to the changes made to her jaw and face. So nope, they're not exactly alike at all. Similar? yes.

[valentinesdead?]

RE5 Jill was based in REmake Jill alright. Again, she's based on that face model. She just doesn't look exactly like that model. And I'm not talking about the yellow hair and weird costume either.

Jill in RE5 has a thinner triangular face. Remake Jill face has a distinctive jaw line that is more pear shape than triangular. And for Chris-sakes look at that nose. Looks longer due to the changes made to her jaw and face. So nope, they're not exactly alike at all. Similar? yes.

. . ..Okay, okay. So I didn't exactly use the right word to get my point across. . .


lol Point is, in either version, the face is instantly recognizeable to be our adorable little protagonist Jill Valentine's. Although, I wonder if the slight changes are a result of the polygon count differences in the two games. Capcom actually constructed facial muscles for the characters in RE5--not saying that's the complete reason beyond just updating the model or art direction.


And Chris. . .just say steroids and it explains anything different about Chris

EDIT***The Chris and steriods joke is meant to be sarcastic. I like RE5 Chris.