Favourite Resident Evil Character (No Jill drama)

[valentinesdead?]

Because fans wanted to see what happened to Sherry after RE2 to the point that they started the entire "it's probably Sherry" with every young women that has blonde hair - Ashley, Alison and "the woman in tube" all were victims of those actions.

Why almost no one though it could be Jill? Because at that time it made no sense; Jill, now with long blonde hair, put in a tube? "Why would Capcom do such a thing? It must be Sherry! it's the only reasonable answer!"
It had nothing to do with her look. Because, you know, there were people that recognized it's Jill long before Capcom started bashing RE5 trailers with "Jill's in the game" hammer. Jill's Boob is one them.

You know the thing I've noticed about allota RE fandom over the years is that they love to jump on bandwagons. Whether its the current "jill drama" of the modern day, Re5/RE4 bashing, or that whole "Sherry" thing. People will simply make statements and pass them along as the gosspil truth. Forget about analyzing things. Why think for youself when you can folllow the leader?(figuratively speaking).

Sure, releasing an old-style RE game would satisfy long time RE fans... but only them. And I doubt Capcom would be willing to make such a move

The sad fact is RE fans don't have much of a world-view. Or view Capcom as an actual business who's goal is to make money. Nah, it's to make RE games for a niche audience of RE fans sillly!

I honestly don't see Capcom making another old-style RE game, as much as most of us want it. Since they've had a taste of how much the RE4/RE5 style sells (far more units than the originals), why would they go back? If they did make an old-style game, they wouldn't nearly put as much manpower and hours into it as they would a game with the style of RE4/RE5.

While I know absolutely nothing about the technical side of game development, I'm assuming that rail shooters are extremely easy to make, since it's basically one big interactive scene and the characters move on a set path the entire time. And by "easy to make," I mean when compared to a game like the old-style RE's or RE4/RE5.

It's a good thing to listen to fans. . .to a certain extent. If Capcom listneed to so called "fans" completely, they'd go out of business, or regress in size as a company. Take your pick. There's a large percentage of consumers of RE that probably never visited a single fansite or such, or know the entire Umbrella backstory dealing with Marcus, Edwards, and Spencer. Capcom has to make a game for these folks too. Games, specifically bid-budget games like Resident Evil, can't affort to appeal to a select hardcore fanbase. Even if alot of that said fanbase thinks there are no fans other than them, and DEMAND things must go back tot he way they were, and they just GOTTA bring back da zombies and da horror cause it can't be resident evil wtihout da cheap horror!

[Yzak]

I think it's not so much a "bandwagon" as much as a popular opinion. I mean, a lot of people share it, but you do have the choads who just pretend to agree to look ~cool among their peers~. Which is just eyeroll to me. I share some popular opinions out there but really.

As for old-style RE game ... I dunno, really. I know RE4 and 5 changed in terms of style. But I also like to think the old style isn't out of the question. I mean, gamers in general like variety, so I don't think the old style of RE is "bad" at all. It's just a style, and a style that obviously went well.

[GuardhouseMusic]

You know the thing I've noticed about allota RE fandom over the years is that they love to jump on bandwagons. Whether its the current "jill drama" of the modern day, Re5/RE4 bashing, or that whole "Sherry" thing. People will simply make statements and pass them along as the gosspil truth. Forget about analyzing things. Why think for youself when you can folllow the leader?(figuratively speaking).



The sad fact is RE fans don't have much of a world-view. Or view Capcom as an actual business who's goal is to make money. Nah, it's to make RE games for a niche audience of RE fans sillly!




It's a good thing to listen to fans. . .to a certain extent. If Capcom listneed to so called "fans" completely, they'd go out of business, or regress in size as a company. Take your pick. There's a large percentage of consumers of RE that probably never visited a single fansite or such, or know the entire Umbrella backstory dealing with Marcus, Edwards, and Spencer. Capcom has to make a game for these folks too. Games, specifically bid-budget games like Resident Evil, can't affort to appeal to a select hardcore fanbase. Even if alot of that said fanbase thinks there are no fans other than them, and DEMAND things must go back tot he way they were, and they just GOTTA bring back da zombies and da horror cause it can't be resident evil wtihout da cheap horror!

What the hell has gotten into you? Are you seriously so bothered by someone's opinions (and the shocking fact that others share his/her opinions) about either a game, or even a hypothetical scenario that this rant should follow?

You start your post by talking about "bandwagons," and how these sniveling fans make a bunch of statements and pass them along as the gospel truth. You then proceed to make a bunch of statements about these people and pass them along as the gospel truth.

[RetroRain]

What the hell has gotten into you? Are you seriously so bothered by someone's opinions (and the shocking fact that others share his/her opinions) about either a game, or even a hypothetical scenario that this rant should follow?

You start your post by talking about "bandwagons," and how these sniveling fans make a bunch of statements and pass them along as the gospel truth. You then proceed to make a bunch of statements about these people and pass them along as the gospel truth.

Quoted for truth.

Apparently he is bothered by others' opinions. He made a big deal just because I disliked Jill's RE5 appearance.

[valentinesdead?]

*Ahem*. . .I--God of Resident Evil and all things RE opinionated. . .have seem to made a mistake. It is hard for a God to admit as such to his sheep, but I must decree my children. I actually have. And here is that foul, sinful dweller of a remark.

The sad fact is RE fans don't have much of a world-view. Or view Capcom as an actual business who's goal is to make money. Nah, it's to make RE games for a niche audience of RE fans sillly!

This, I decree, is a sinful beast! And must be damned to the pits of hell. In it's place. . .


*The sad fact is a rather sizeable and vocal group of RE fans on the internet from gamefaqs boards I've visted over the years, don't seem to have much of a realistic view of Capcom. That specific group doesn't seem to realize Capcom's goal is to make as much profit as possible. Nah, it's to make Re games for them! silly at Capcom's loss!

FIXED*


. . .Okay, obvious sarcasm aside, that original statement was simply a more off-the-cuff comment and observation than an completely serious statement, or this so called gospel truth. Maybe it wasn't worded the best(Okay, it wasn't). Anyways, I reread most this thread starting from page 2 to just try to see where exactly the shit hit the fan here. . .

What the hell has gotten into you? Are you seriously so bothered by someone's opinions (and the shocking fact that others share his/her opinions) about either a game, or even a hypothetical scenario that this rant should follow?

You start your post by talking about "bandwagons," and how these sniveling fans make a bunch of statements and pass them along as the gospel truth. You then proceed to make a bunch of statements about these people and pass them along as the gospel truth.

Maybe I should be asking the first question to you? Where, in any of my post, did it say "Guardhousemusic", or "THIA"? Where did it say you? I didn't name any names, or honestly have any specific person in mind that was on the forum. THIA isn't what I classify as a "majoirty" of the RE internet crowd to begin with. You "insinuate" that I'm bothered by a certain opinon, when that comment had nothing to do wtih my "argument"(I don't think I can really even call it that) with Logical a few post ago. I was simply adding to Mr_Zombie's comment about Sherry being proclaimed the blonde woman(not my own). I already said I was done with the logical fiasco. I had already made my points very clear and concrete.

And yet, somehow, I apparently stepped on your nuts with that last couple of speculating comments. If I thought THIA was just a bunch of dumb idiot RE fans, why would I even bother posting here? Again, I fail to draw a conclusion as to why you're so upset by that.I certainly don't see any other post jumping up in arms saying I"ve "offended" them--and I think that's because I, thought obviously, wasn't talking about anybody on this board.

Now, whether that means you fall into this category and my post hit a nerve because of the mis-wording or bluntness, I dont' have a clue. Besides one post previously by you in this thread, which had nothing to do with any of the discussion involving me and several others, I have no idea what ruffled your feathers, but if you want to jump in and have a debate. Well, by golly, let's have one then. Dispute some of my previous arguments that I made with logical, which seems like what you're hinting at anyways, because I'm "so bothered by someone's opinion."

I have NO problem trading opinions with people backed by examples, evidence, and that little thing known as commen sense. Note the the "cheestiest RE moment" thread, where me and pikminster had an awesome Wesker debate, and a pretty in-depth analysis of the character's RE5 motivation changes and "so-called" comic book plot. We never slandered, nor debased one another, acknowledged certain points of each others argument, and yet, still respectfully disagree. Just a debate, an fun exchange of ideas. You know, that thing a forums for. Your post contributes nothing to what was being discussed, other than an attempt to cause me to react with a temper. Sorry. Not gonna bite that line.

Quoted for truth.

Apparently he is bothered by others' opinions. He made a big deal just because I disliked Jill's RE5 appearance.

I know I said I was done, and I am done "debating" with you about Jill, but I will NOT have you mis-representing, no, lying about me. I don't give a shit about whether you like Jill's appearence or not in "badly done suits." What I took issue with was the fact you used such excuses to whine about RE5 sucking, stating that RE5 "had no place for JIll", which more or less has YOU putting the character on a pedistal higher than the series itself, and to bash the newer games, without any real, "logical", reasons. But my first post to you didn't bite, just simply made my case concerning your "5 points." Then you replied, brushing my arguments off with what? Your opinon. I'm sorry, but the last time I checked, your opinion doesn't qualify as a valadation to the point the person is trying to make. That is what so-called "bothered" me. So I made my second post, further explaining my point, just for arguments sake, while already realizing it would fall of deaf ears, and judging by the immaturity of your response such as "EPIC FAIL", and "LOL", I think I certainly was right? That's the best you can offer to counter my points, other than repeating your "opinon" over and over, and not offer one simple valid argument.

I gotta ask, do you pull the same stunt in english class when a teacher ask you "your opinon" about something that happened in a short story? When she ask you "Why?", do you simply tell her your opinion again? Hell no, she'll probably get her to look at you stupidly. You BACK UP YOUR OPINION by providing examples and explanations as to why you think that way, and why it proves your point. But you don't do that.

Allow me to be blunt again. You're like MissV. You're like Rakkon. All you can do is repeat your opinion when challanged. And ignore anything thrown your way, because you can't handle it. Period. End of story. Having read many of the post and arguments beforehand by other members trying to see some reason in the two mentioned above--there simply wasn't any. So I already know the end result. That's why I said "i'm done." And I really was done. You apparnetly couldn't help yourself into referencing me again in your response to Mr_Zombie, but I really could care less. This morning, before I was going to work, I saw GuardianHouseMusic's post. Nothing there to get me to continue posting a reply to you. But then I get home, and there you are again. You really just can't help your self. Had you just quoted him and said "quoted for the truth," I would just shrugged it off. But then you go and say this.

Apparently he is bothered by others' opinions. He made a big deal just because I disliked Jill's RE5 appearance

Well then, let's go back to page 2 of this thread. In my post about "why all the RE5 Jill/wesker bashing," I originally quoted Det. Beauguard and pikminister. I meant to quote you too(and reall, it was the only one I should have used), but the quote didn't post for some reason. Nothingless, I'll admit, re-reading those comments, I was looking at the sum instead of the parts. Det. Beauguard and pikminister both replied, and kindly explained what they meant clearly and with logic, and thought out points. I respectfully commented and even admitted I was mistaken about their original comments. I was satisfied, and was going to leave it at that, until you for some reason felt the need to "clarify" (gee, I wonder if it was because there was some positve RE5 comments suddenly?)that it wasn't just Jill's "looks", but your five points, one of which ironically included the overdone blonde hair/Battle suit reason(which I'm pretty sure qualifies as part of the physical "looks" department).

Anyways, it's all in the thread if anyone's interested(though I can't picture why). All I have to say is, I was warned that I would be wasting 30 minute increments of my life trying to "debate" with you, but I thought I would give it a shot. Why not? That's what a forum is for. If you honestly think I'm so "bothered" by your opinions, please. I challanged the comments you made, and all you did/have done/will do is repeat them. The original two members I quoted both expanded on there initial comments with *****, but you've explained nothing, just your opinons and EPIC FAIL and LOLling when an argument is put forth.


So I'm done now. You can post all the negative RE5/Jill/Wesker new RE sux all you want. I don't care. If you honestly believe I argued with you over your opinions because I"m so damn bothered by them, you're deeply mistaken. I'm doing this because I want to. I currently have an itch to debate and examine RE in a community. Judging from the postive and thoughful comments I"ve gotten from several THIA members, can say it's rewarding to forum post for once(because this IS the first forum I"ve actually participated in), but I decided what the hell? I'll jump in. But, there's simply no point in anyone trying an argument with you, or making a case, because that person will only hear the echoes of their own arguments because there aren't any from you.


And GuardHouseMusic. If you want to challenge one of my points, feel free. This is a forum after all. Everyone's "opinions" are up to be challenged.

[RetroRain]

You know something, I'm not reading all of that. That is ridiculous. It's amazing how much you will type just because you don't agree with someone. You have already proved how childish you are, and I'm not going to continue arguing with a child. Argument over.

[jagger916]

You know something, I'm not reading all of that. That is ridiculous. It's amazing how much you will type just because you don't agree with someone. You have already proved how childish you are, and I'm not going to continue arguing with a child. Argument over.

How is it childish type out your point? He can't explain himself? If anything is childish it's stating your side of something then completely ignoring a vaild rebuttal.

[RetroRain]

How is it childish type out your point? He can't explain himself? If anything is childish it's stating your side of something then completely ignoring a vaild rebuttal.

Damn man, I really got to read all of that? Can't he shorten his post? lol.

I'll read it later. From what I gathered by skimming through it, I guess he was trying to say that I don't back up my opinions. Is that right?

What would you like me to back up? Or better yet, give me a shorter version, because that is a lot of shit you typed man, lol.

[nemesiswontdie]

what your on a forum site you cant take time to read someones post?

[Vector]

You know something, I'm not reading all of that. That is ridiculous. It's amazing how much you will type just because you don't agree with someone. You have already proved how childish you are, and I'm not going to continue arguing with a child. Argument over.

The amount of hypocrisy in this post is staggering.

[Darkmoon]

Ladies and gentleman, please be aware that I am watching you and some of these post are veering awfully close to the personal remark lane. Don't cross that line folks. Juggernauts live in the lane. And you're on a 15cc moped.

[Jill's Boob]

I like turtles.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMNry4PE93Y

[RetroRain]

what your on a forum site you cant take time to read someones post?

The amount of hypocrisy in this post is staggering.

Sorry about those last two posts I made. I worked a long day at my job, and normally I would have read it and replied to his post, but it was too much to read, and I didn't want to go through it all because I was so tired, and that I'd actually have to use my mind to go through the whole post. It required too much thinking and I was too tired to do that after a long day of work.

But, I read it now, and here is what I have to say.

What I took issue with was the fact you used such excuses to whine about RE5 sucking, stating that RE5 "had no place for JIll", which more or less has YOU putting the character on a pedistal higher than the series itself, and to bash the newer games, without any real, "logical", reasons.

I have the right to post my opinions. This is a forum. I am a fan of the Resident Evil series, but I am not a fan of RE4 and RE5. If I was not a fan of the series, and I came on this forum to bash RE4 and RE5 for no apparent reason, then that would be stupid. But, the fact is I am a fan of the Resident Evil series, I just don't care for RE4 and RE5 because Capcom has literally went out of their way to make the series very action-like. And that is not what Resident Evil is about. And, I'm not putting Jill on a pedistal. I don't get what you mean by that. I simply feel, with all those points I stated, that by having Jill in RE5, it just ruins Resident Evil even more. That is my opinion.

You need more clarification? I'll go back to the points I made earlier.

A. She was controlled.

I didn't like the fact that she was controlled. I thought the whole plot point was ridiculous. Resident Evil has moved away from scary atmospheric tense survival horror to soap-opera non-scary action with matrix stunts. First, it was biological things that were controlling things, but Jill has this electronic device on her chest that controls her? And Jill is doing all of these manuevers that we have never seen her do before? It makes her character look worse.

B. We were lead to believe she was dead.

I didn't like the plot point. Capcom went out of their way to show us her grave stone, and showed the scenes that lead to her supposed death in RE5, when it was a no-brainer that she would turn up later alive. We all knew that, like you said. I didn't like this because Capcom is just being stupid with the writing. This was totally lame, period.

C. They changed her appearance (long blonde hair, awful suits (both of them))

I already explained this. There's not much more I can explain on this. The long blonde hair did not appeal to me, at all. Her uniforms were awful. I simply didn't like the way her appearance was portrayed in the game.

D. She was in the game, period.

Right. I didn't like the fact that she was in the game. I personally felt that after RE3, she shouldn't show up in any more RE games. She survived the horror twice, and in RE3, she said that this would be "her last escape." They should have just left her story alone. I didn't mind that she appeared in that new Umbrella Chronicles scenario because in RE1 and RE3, she was trying to escape a city infested with zombies. In Umbrella Chronicles, she was joining Chris to take down Umbrella once and for all, so that was something she chose to do. She was no longer trying to escape something. She was trying to put an end to an evil corporation. So anything after the Umbrella incident, they should have left Jill's character alone. But what do they do? They taint her character by putting her in an action game, have her be controlled, and have her do crazy stunts. And the story of RE5 could have went just fine without Jill being in there. It was ridiculous.

E. What is with the fighting style? This is not the Matrix, this is Resident Evil.

Self-explanatory, I would think. Yes, there was a little bit in RECV, but as I said, that was from Wesker, and I didn't mind it so much because he was the only one that did those stunts, and he was the main villain. Now they're making Jill do it, and it just makes her character look pathetic too.

The only reason Capcom put Jill in RE5 was fan service. It was to help sell the game, appeal to fans, and take a character that had a good story line in the old-style Resident Evil games, and now put her in an action game just for the sake of having her in the game.

But my first post to you didn't bite, just simply made my case concerning your "5 points." Then you replied, brushing my arguments off with what? Your opinon. I'm sorry, but the last time I checked, your opinion doesn't qualify as a valadation to the point the person is trying to make. That is what so-called "bothered" me. So I made my second post, further explaining my point, just for arguments sake, while already realizing it would fall of deaf ears, and judging by the immaturity of your response such as "EPIC FAIL", and "LOL", I think I certainly was right? That's the best you can offer to counter my points, other than repeating your "opinon" over and over, and not offer one simple valid argument.

You are also saying that I don't back up my opinions with any real, logical reasons. That is bullshit sir. I stated my opinions already. Just because I didn't explain them further because you wanted me too doesn't mean I don't back them up. And I used "Epic Fail" because your post sounded so ridiculous.

First, you say you're going to make a brief post. And then you started typing all of this shit that I felt wasn't relevant at all (hence my short responses). If you re-read that post, you will see that I did provide an answer to each quote. If there is anything you want me to clarify or back-up, let me know. But your post was just ridiculous, and it sounded like you were so bothered because I posted my opinion about Jill's appearance. Why else would you keep trying to bring it up?

I gotta ask, do you pull the same stunt in english class when a teacher ask you "your opinon" about something that happened in a short story? When she ask you "Why?", do you simply tell her your opinion again? Hell no, she'll probably get her to look at you stupidly. You BACK UP YOUR OPINION by providing examples and explanations as to why you think that way, and why it proves your point. But you don't do that.

Bullshit. I back up my opinions. I just don't feel that I have to EXPLAIN every opinion that I freakin' make. Apparently you feel that everyone should just EXPLAIN every opinion in full detail, as to why. I am allowed to post an opinion, doesn't necessarily mean I have to explain it in detail. If somebody wants me to explain futher (back it up), I will. Sorry if that's not good enough for you.

Allow me to be blunt again. You're like MissV. You're like Rakkon.

Who are they? Why don't you back up your statement buddy. Explain in FULL DETAIL as to who those 2 people are. You can't make a statement like that without BACKING IT UP.

All you can do is repeat your opinion when challanged. And ignore anything thrown your way, because you can't handle it.

Yeah okay. I don't ignore others opinions because I can't handle it. I read opinions. If I don't agree with it, I'll either make a post if I feel like it, or just read that opinion and that's it. And opinion is an opinion. I don't have to make a post everytime I disagree with something either.

and was going to leave it at that, until you for some reason felt the need to "clarify" (gee, I wonder if it was because there was some positve RE5 comments suddenly?)that it wasn't just Jill's "looks", but your five points, one of which ironically included the overdone blonde hair/Battle suit reason(which I'm pretty sure qualifies as part of the physical "looks" department).

And the problem with that is???

EDIT - Oh, and please keep your replies shorter. No need to write a book. Try to explain yourself in the shortest way possible. I don't feel like reading a freakin book so that I have to disect everything and then quote everything.

Explain what you have to explain, and then lets put this argument to rest, because I honestly don't feel like doing it anymore.

[Dark_Chris]

Jill's BSAA uniform is her BEST suit EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Marki243]

Degeneration sucks as a game but looks cool as a movie i just hate how they made leon more mysterious...atleast zombies are back
Leon is awesome....and a pretty boy lol(not in a homo way though)