Movie Umbrella > Game Umbrella

[Becky's Butt]

Ya know I had hated RE Apocalypse ever since i saw it in theaters. But in preparation for a review I plan to do on the RE fim trilogy I rewatched it, along with Extinction. The opening and ending of Apocalypse alone serve as a testament of just how much more competent Umbrella is in the films than in the games.

Let's compare the one event the two universes have in common; the Raccoon City Outbreak. In the games not only was it Umbrella itself that causes the disaster the only remedy they have for it is to send in some ineffectual mercenaries. Everything else is left up to the US military.

In the movies, long before the city is infected, Umbrella has mobilized a fleet to evacuate all personel of importance. To contain the infection they buld an actual barricade (in contrast to the invisible barricade of the games....) and only allow out of the city those who pass their medical examination. When it becomes clear the infection cannot be contained they close off all manner of escape and decide to sterilize the city.

In the games Umbrella is held accountable for this atrocity which is logical. Their fingerprints were all over this disaster. In the movies even with video recorded evidence Umbrella manages to discredit it and its creators and pass off their nuking of the city asjust a reactor accident.

Now while that's the only event the worlds have in common, we still can compare them. How you may ask? Well let's look at all the facilities we've seen in the games.

-Training Facility
-Arklay Mountains
-Birkin's Lab
-Rockfort
-Sheena
-Russia
-Paris

All these facilities have been attacked or infiltrated and all of them have been subsequently destroyed exceot for the Paris one. Uuslaly this is done by two or three people of marginal talent.

Compare with the movies' Umbrella facilities. Years after the world has pretty much ended, they're still fully operational. TH eone site that is actually taken down is done so by a rogue scientist, not the the infected or anti-Umbrella figures.

[Stu]

I prefer Rihanna Umbrella.

[BLSR1]

This one always reigns supreme.

[Darkmoon]

Interesting. Now that I think about, though, a lot of stuff is better in the movies.

The Virus - constantly contained in the games. Destroys the world in the movie.

Characters - Alice is the most powerful character in Resident Evil. She has enhanced strength, speed, stamina, is immune to the virus, has telekentic and telepathic powers...the closest game character would be Wesker, who is faster but lacks the mental abilities.

Monsters - Movie zombies can only be killed by head wounds, game zombies will stop after several rounds to the torso.

Of course, there are some almighty screw ups too...apparently Umbrella is powerful it can silence all the people who saw things in Raccoon City but still escaped. And it managed to build a solid barrier...out of metal...around a city...in three days. Sometimes you can go a little over the top with making you fanverse version of stuff better than the origional.

[Alexia_Ashford]

The movie Umbrella are retarded. They put an AI in charge of a facility which the high ups know is secretly developing a virus which would be capable of wiping out the entire world if it got out, and they trust an AI to monitor the facility, for whatever reason. This AI deems it necessary to shut down the facility and kill everyone inside (wow, humans can carry viruses in their system you know Umbrella) but instead of sitting back and thinking "Hang on. For some reason, the Red Queen shut the Hive down and killed any personnel who could possibly carry anything out of the facility. She made it so nothing gets in or out. Let's think why."

Instead, movie Umbrella's reaction is OMIGAWD homocidal bitch! Let's OPEN IT UP and send some of our crew inside!

At the end of the first film, Umbrella employees carry Max away and his arm is scratched. He obviously has T-Virus in his system as someone remarks "he's mutating". Then, again, Umbrella (for whatever completely idiotic reason) decides to RE-OPEN the Hive, in the full knowledge that the T-Virus is loose and the last people they sent in got slaughtered bar two.

The game T-Virus was released by psychopathic employees who had either mutated and accidentally released it, or who wanted revenge. The movie T-Virus was released because of Umbrella's pure incompetence and idiocy. Therefore, Game Umbrella > Movie Umbrella.

[Bertha]

I agree with Alexia. Let's not forget that the only reason the Umbrella staff were still "operational" was because they knew what was going on from the start and spent their time hiding underground. That wasn't exactly working out for them either since, if I remember correctly during the third film, there was some discussion at the meeting about how they were losing contact with other facilities and how they were all running out of supplies. They weren't exactly thriving...just outlasting the poor people that were stuck above ground.

The movies never really explained how the virus destroyed practically all vegetation either. I suppose it would have been too difficult for Anderson to add monster plants to the mix, so instead...the world simply becomes a desert. I might have enjoyed the third film a lot more had Anderson not turned it into a wasteland.

[Agent_Wong]

Well as much as I despise the movies, if you remember the virus was purposely released by the guy that stole it in the first place. He tossed a vial and broke it on his way out, I don't think he was expecting to be stuck in there. But I'm going to have to agree that the movie umbrella was a tad smarter than the video game version. That makes my stomach turn all the same.

[News Bot]

Let's compare the one event the two universes have in common; the Raccoon City Outbreak. In the games not only was it Umbrella itself that causes the disaster the only remedy they have for it is to send in some ineffectual mercenaries. Everything else is left up to the US military.

Umbrella did not send in the UBCS to quell the disaster. Quite the opposite. Umbrella did not want to fix anything once the disaster happened. They even influenced the Senate's decision to nuke the place, and not to stop the virus from spreading.

In the movies, long before the city is infected, Umbrella has mobilized a fleet to evacuate all personel of importance. To contain the infection they buld an actual barricade (in contrast to the invisible barricade of the games....) and only allow out of the city those who pass their medical examination. When it becomes clear the infection cannot be contained they close off all manner of escape and decide to sterilize the city.

They mobilize a fleet to get important personnel. Sure. But there are no important personnel in the games. 1/3 of Raccoon City's citizens are employed by Umbrella, but they don't have important jobs in the slightest. And you do realize that the movie magic barricade is single handedly more retarded than anything in the entire game series?

As for the barricades in the games, they are easily explained. Raccoon City has several main and side roads leading out of the city. Following the sudden outbreak, the National Guard set up barricades on most of the main roads, and didn't get the side roads blocked up until at least September 30th, which is how Leon and Claire managed to get inside.

Compare with the movies' Umbrella facilities. Years after the world has pretty much ended, they're still fully operational. TH eone site that is actually taken down is done so by a rogue scientist, not the the infected or anti-Umbrella figures.

Probably because none of the unique situations in the games actually happen, nor do the same characters actually exist?

In the games Umbrella is held accountable for this atrocity which is logical. Their fingerprints were all over this disaster. In the movies even with video recorded evidence Umbrella manages to discredit it and its creators and pass off their nuking of the city asjust a reactor accident.

Again, the only reason Umbrella was implicated in the games was because of several witness testimonies (don't exist in the movies) and other evidence, not to mention the US government itself already knew of Umbrella's shady business acumen (considering the US government is their biggest customer). However, even despite being caught they cleverly managed to slap the US government in the balls and shift the blame onto them, causing a nationwide controversy.

The movie Umbrella is a retarded sack of shit. The game Umbrella is not perfect but is still pretty awesome. Getting spies and agents in the R.P.D., bribing the shit out of important figures (Brian Irons, Michael Warren etc) and having major influence in the US Senate (who are their biggest customers as well). What does the movie Umbrella actually have? Bullshit "movie magic".

[Becky's Butt]

Oh, this will be fun...

The movie Umbrella are retarded. They put an AI in charge of a facility which the high ups know is secretly developing a virus which would be capable of wiping out the entire world if it got out, and they trust an AI to monitor the facility, for whatever reason. This AI deems it necessary to shut down the facility and kill everyone inside (wow, humans can carry viruses in their system you know Umbrella) but instead of sitting back and thinking "Hang on. For some reason, the Red Queen shut the Hive down and killed any personnel who could possibly carry anything out of the facility. She made it so nothing gets in or out. Let's think why."

Well aren't you the one who argues in this very same paragraph the folly of using an AI? Perhaps they were thinking the same; that it was a catastrophic glitch that needed to be corrected.

At the end of the first film, Umbrella employees carry Max away and his arm is scratched. He obviously has T-Virus in his system as someone remarks "he's mutating". Then, again, Umbrella (for whatever completely idiotic reason) decides to RE-OPEN the Hive, in the full knowledge that the T-Virus is loose and the last people they sent in got slaughtered bar two.

Perhaps they wanted to gather data. This is presumably the first use of the T-Virus on an unsuspecting populace.

The game T-Virus was released by psychopathic employees who had either mutated and accidentally released it, or who wanted revenge. The movie T-Virus was released because of Umbrella's pure incompetence and idiocy. Therefore, Game Umbrella > Movie Umbrella.

Except Game Umbrella brought about all those occurances.
Marcus was killed by them. he comes back and releases the Virus.
Birkin was 'killed" by them. he comes backa nd releases the Virus.
They go to see what Goldman is up to so he decides to release the virus to escape them.
For reasons only the shitty Dead Aim writing can explain, they blame him for the outbreaks. So he releases the T-Virus on the Spencer Rain.

You forget there is no "I" in Team. If Umbrella wants to be an Evil Company, they gotta hire Evil people who will do things like what Marcus, Birkin and Goldman did.

Umbrella did not send in the UBCS to quell the disaster. Quite the opposite. Umbrella did not want to fix anything once the disaster happened. They even influenced the Senate's decision to nuke the place, and not to stop the virus from spreading.

True. That is my bad. Nicholai does say they only sent in the UBCs to gather data (though they still fucked that up)

They mobilize a fleet to get important personnel. Sure. But there are no important personnel in the games. 1/3 of Raccoon City's citizens are employed by Umbrella, but they don't have important jobs in the slightest. And you do realize that the movie magic barricade is single handedly more retarded than anything in the entire game series?

Someone forgot the important Umbrella executive leaving as we saw in UC...Death's Door to be exact. That means it happened a little after RE2 or right at the end of it I imagine.

And no, it's not. Nothing will ever surpass the retardedness in the Code Veronica opening.



“Alright guys, we’ll wait to ambush her when she runs in here.”
“Should we spread out, sir? This warehouse has good coverage and –“
“Gather the men up and meet in front of the propane canisters.”

God that entire cinematic is the worst thing to happen in RE, the films or games.

As for the barricades in the games, they are easily explained. Raccoon City has several main and side roads leading out of the city. Following the sudden outbreak, the National Guard set up barricades on most of the main roads, and didn't get the side roads blocked up until at least September 30th, which is how Leon and Claire managed to get inside.

When you write the story for them, you know they suck.

Again, the only reason Umbrella was implicated in the games was because of several witness testimonies (don't exist in the movies) and other evidence, not to mention the US government itself already knew of Umbrella's shady business acumen (considering the US government is their biggest customer). However, even despite being caught they cleverly managed to slap the US government in the balls and shift the blame onto them, causing a nationwide controversy.

So they did. They also got permanently put out of business.
So sucks to be them while the US government is running just fine.

The movie Umbrella is a retarded sack of shit. The game Umbrella is not perfect but is still pretty awesome. Getting spies and agents in the R.P.D., bribing the shit out of important figures (Brian Irons, Michael Warren etc) and having major influence in the US Senate (who are their biggest customers as well). What does the movie Umbrella actually have? Bullshit "movie magic".

Oh please. The RE games have more movie magic than the movies do.
Movie Umbrella had actual foresight and benefited from not being run by lunatics. They also had their own nuclear capabilities which they could conveniently use to erase all proof of their illegal going-ons.
In short they had brains. Game Umbrella never did as shown by their constant failure in every RE game to date. (minus the ones where they are now defunct, obviously)

[Alexia_Ashford]

Well as much as I despise the movies, if you remember the virus was purposely released by the guy that stole it in the first place. He tossed a vial and broke it on his way out, I don't think he was expecting to be stuck in there. But I'm going to have to agree that the movie umbrella was a tad smarter than the video game version. That makes my stomach turn all the same.

It was purposefully released by a guy who was within the Umbrella facility, given. That doesn't change any of the facts I posted before. However the virus got out initially, it was contained within the Hive; thanks to the efforts of the computer AI system that they obviously trusted enough to monitor a facility which was developing a virus capable of an apocalypse. It was contained. It brought about the near-extinction of the entire human race because Umbrella didn't have the intelligence enough to question why an AI program would quarantine the facility and ensure nothing got in or out (bearing in mind this is a facility Umbrella KNEW was developing a virus which was highly infectious and could end the world if it was released). Instead, their first reaction was "homocidal bitch" and sent in a squad which had every chance of getting infected, and their entire mission (assigned by Umbrella) was to shut down the Red Queen. (This is a facility they designed, they also knew shutting her down would release any quarantine methods she had put into place, in the very rare possibility that the T-Virus HAD escaped). Why put the Red Queen in charge of The Hive's security if they clearly didn't trust it enough to do its job? That is retarded to begin with.

Secondly, the fact that an ex-Umbrella employee doesn't alter the fact either that Umbrella re-opened the Hive, after already knowing that the T-Virus was loose in the Hive, as well as B.O.Ws (finding the two survivors at the end of Genesis). It is this incompetence which lead to the infection of Raccoon City, and shortly thereafter, the world. The game Umbrella isn't perfect and does some silly mistakes, but it had balls and a lot of influence. The game Umbrella doesn't do anything either to hit such a peak of utter retardedness that the movie one does. The fact that movie Spencer released the virus into the Hive facility to begin with is irrelevant and changes none of these facts. If you can find me something that the game Umbrella does on this scale then please, do so.

Well aren't you the one who argues in this very same paragraph the folly of using an AI? Perhaps they were thinking the same; that it was a catastrophic glitch that needed to be corrected.

Not at all. The AI did exactly what she was programmed to do in such an event, and exactly what any intelligent person/sentient being would do. So to not put the entire human population at risk, quarantine the facility and kill anyone who may leak the virus into the outside world, then lock it down to ensure nothing got in or out. The retarded Umbrella didn't stop to think about why she may have done it or what possible situation could have occurred in the Hive, they just went in guns blazing, and as a result, wiped out the human race near enough. It is retarded to begin with to leave an AI in charge of your most important research project when you do not trust it.

Perhaps they wanted to gather data. This is presumably the first use of the T-Virus on an unsuspecting populace.

Really? I remember the guy at the start of Apocalypse saying "Time to re-open the Hive. Let's see what went on down here", shortly followed by them being mauled to death by Lickers. This clearly shows a complete lack of communication between Umbrella employees, as Umbrella also quarantined and experimented on a man who had a Licker wound on his arm (and they also know of their B.O.W experiments as they bloody made them) and he was infected with the T-Virus as he was mutating. It doesn't take a genius to work out what happened, it's fairly self-explanatory. For whatever reason, they felt it necessary to re-open the Hive when they knew B.O.Ws were running amock and the T-Virus was loose. Intelligent.

Except Game Umbrella brought about all those occurances.
Marcus was killed by them. he comes back and releases the Virus.
Birkin was 'killed" by them. he comes backa nd releases the Virus.
They go to see what Goldman is up to so he decides to release the virus to escape them.
For reasons only the shitty Dead Aim writing can explain, they blame him for the outbreaks. So he releases the T-Virus on the Spencer Rain.

None of this is as retarded as intentionally opening a facility where you know a doomsday virus is being developed, the last team you sent in never made it out alive, and one of two civilians who made it out alive were infected with said doomsday virus. Movie Umbrella had full and direct control over that action. Everything you mentioned in this quote is a consequence of a previous action, and that is out of Umbrella's direct control. How is it Umbrella's fault that Birkin injected himself and stepped on a T-Virus vial? Or that rats then began munching on the broken vial? Again: One is a consequence, the other is an action which the company had full control over. Umbrella had cause to kill Birkin as he wouldn't give them the virus which he was developing for them. Marcus was assassinated so Spencer could gain control of the company as well, and unless he has a crystal ball, I don't see how he should have expected Marcus to be revived, years later, looking 30 years younger. Don't see how that makes game Umbrella retarded, so I really don't get what point you're trying to make with that and sounds like you're reaching.

[TheBatMan]

One thing that bugged me about the original film. If the AI computer killed all the personnel working in the hive with the halon system, Why on earth would Alice's team even be carrying guns in the first place? If they knew the AI had gone beserk should they not be a bunch of computer techs as apposed to a special forces team?

Good old Paul WS and his second to none writing skills.

[Mr_Zombie]

They also had their own nuclear capabilities which they could conveniently use to erase all proof of their illegal going-ons.

I haven't seen the movie in a long time and am not planning to watch it, but if that's true, then
How can you use nuclear missles to erase all proof of illegal actions? Wouldn't bombing an entire city full of living citizens be enough evidence that something wrong was going on there? Hey, bombing the city would cause them more problems than revealing that Umbrella was working on dangerous viruses.

[News Bot]

True. That is my bad. Nicholai does say they only sent in the UBCs to gather data (though they still fucked that up)

No.. no they didn't. The combat data was an invaluable success. Many of the B.O.W.s seen in the later games wouldn't be there if it had been a failure.

Someone forgot the important Umbrella executive leaving as we saw in UC...Death's Door to be exact. That means it happened a little after RE2 or right at the end of it I imagine.

Someone forgot that Sergei was in Raccoon City to get the U.M.F.-013, the Umbrella officer there is just a bonus.

When you write the story for them, you know they suck.

Uhh no, this is common knowledge. Most of the people who bitch about the fact though just don't take the time to think about it very well.

So they did. They also got permanently put out of business.
So sucks to be them while the US government is running just fine.

1) Do you even know why the U.M.F.-013 exists?
2) They got put underground, but were still fully operational everywhere bar the US.
3) They still had the support of countless influential global figures.
4) The forced resignation of a US president, media fallout, launch of an experimental nuclear warhead on their own soil and public loss of support is not the US government "running just fine". Have you ever imagined what 9/11 would have been like had all the conspiracy theories been proven? Thats basically it.

They also had their own nuclear capabilities which they could conveniently use to erase all proof of their illegal going-ons.

A pharmaceutical company would never have nuclear capabilities, you just proved my point in regards to how retarded the movies are.

In short they had brains. Game Umbrella never did as shown by their constant failure in every RE game to date. (minus the ones where they are now defunct, obviously)

You do realize that Resident Evil is a game and the "failures" are meant to happen otherwise it would be a terrible game? Also, pay attention to the story more:

RE0 - Umbrella lose the Management Training Facility, but it does not affect them in the slightest.
RE1 - Umbrella use the Arklay outbreak to collect B.O.W. data, casually blow up the facility.
RE2 - Umbrella succeed in acquiring the G-virus
RE3 - Umbrella successfully perform a full live field test and gain ample and valuable amounts of combat data. Convince the US Senate to bomb Raccoon City, and even manage to delay their plans. Successfully carry out countless espionage missions.
CVX - Rockfort Island and Antarctic Base blown the fuck up*
Survivor - Umbrella lose Sheena Island due to Vincent Goldman's outburst.*
Umbrella Chronicles - Umbrella retrieve the U.M.F.-013, retrieve T-A.L.O.S. prototype, go underground
Dead Aim - Umbrella lose the Spencer Rain and many of their influential supporters and employees*

* - Umbrella's only actual failures. And not even directly related to them, caused by renegade employees/former employees.

[Alexia_Ashford]

No.. no they didn't. The combat data was an invaluable success. Many of the B.O.W.s seen in the later games wouldn't be there if it had been a failure.



Someone forgot that Sergei was in Raccoon City to get the U.M.F.-013, the Umbrella officer there is just a bonus.



Uhh no, this is common knowledge. Most of the people who bitch about the fact though just don't take the time to think about it very well.



1) Do you even know why the U.M.F.-013 exists?
2) They got put underground, but were still fully operational everywhere bar the US.
3) They still had the support of countless influential global figures.
4) The forced resignation of a US president, media fallout, launch of an experimental nuclear warhead on their own soil and public loss of support is not the US government "running just fine". Have you ever imagined what 9/11 would have been like had all the conspiracy theories been proven? Thats basically it.



A pharmaceutical company would never have nuclear capabilities, you just proved my point in regards to how retarded the movies are.



You do realize that Resident Evil is a game and the "failures" are meant to happen otherwise it would be a terrible game? Also, pay attention to the story more:

RE0 - Umbrella lose the Management Training Facility, but it does not affect them in the slightest.
RE1 - Umbrella use the Arklay outbreak to collect B.O.W. data, casually blow up the facility.
RE2 - Umbrella succeed in acquiring the G-virus
RE3 - Umbrella successfully perform a full live field test and gain ample and valuable amounts of combat data. Convince the US Senate to bomb Raccoon City, and even manage to delay their plans. Successfully carry out countless espionage missions.
CVX - Rockfort Island and Antarctic Base blown the fuck up*
Survivor - Umbrella lose Sheena Island due to Vincent Goldman's outburst.*
Umbrella Chronicles - Umbrella retrieve the U.M.F.-013, retrieve T-A.L.O.S. prototype, go underground
Dead Aim - Umbrella lose the Spencer Rain and many of their influential supporters and employees*

* - Umbrella's only actual failures. And not even directly related to them, caused by renegade employees/former employees.

Agree with this 100%. Umbrella managed to turn a lot of crap thrown their way into something that could benefit the company in some way (combat data, etc). A lot better than nuking a city off their own merit, they had the US Government involved and handled things reasonably well after the Raccoon City incident.

[Becky's Butt]

No.. no they didn't. The combat data was an invaluable success. Many of the B.O.W.s seen in the later games wouldn't be there if it had been a failure.

Jill: You're saying that [Umbrella] deliberately sent in a military unit to be butchered by their creations?
Nicholai: Not exactly. Although the conditions encountered on this operation were rextreme, it was an unexpected outcome that the team would be wiped out.

So yes, Umbrella fucked up like usual.

Someone forgot that Sergei was in Raccoon City to get the U.M.F.-013, the Umbrella officer there is just a bonus.

So Umbrella left an expensive and nique piece of equipment in the infected hellhole for weeks before going in to get it. (nevermind one of their creations is wandering around shooting down their helicopters by the way)

Uhh no, this is common knowledge. Most of the people who bitch about the fact though just don't take the time to think about it very well.

If writers fail to tell the story, I'm not going to do their job for them.

1) Do you even know why the U.M.F.-013 exists?

Yes.

2) They got put underground, but were still fully operational everywhere bar the US.

So yes they were buttfucked.

3) They still had the support of countless influential global figures.

Well that's terrific. I'm so glad those countless influential global figures played such a pivotel role in preventing Umbrella being taken down by Wesker and the BSAA.
...oh wait.

4) The forced resignation of a US president, media fallout, launch of an experimental nuclear warhead on their own soil and public loss of support is not the US government "running just fine"

Question: Did the US government collapse?
Answer: No it did not.

It ran just fine.

Have you ever imagined what 9/11 would have been like had all the conspiracy theories been proven? Thats basically it.

That's the most fucking retarded analogy ever. Seriously. 9/11 conspiracy theories say that the government hijacked its own planes full of civilians to crash into buildings fall of civilians to justify a war.
Nuking Raccooon City killed a bunch of people who were already "dead" and prevented millions more from potetntially suffering the same horrible fate.

There is NO fucking comparsion.At. All.

A pharmaceutical company would never have nuclear capabilities, you just proved my point in regards to how retarded the movies are.

Someone over-estimates how hard it is to get a small nuclear device. It's been done countless times in fiction and by far less influential and financed groups than Movie Umbrella.

And allow me to give an accurate summary of Umbrella's continued incompetence.

REZero: Assassination of an employee results in viral outbreak. The retaking of the Training Facility was to be done but fails. Nice red herring though. It's not important sadly doesn't negate the fact they failed.
RE1: One of their oldest, most prolific labs destroyed.
RE2 and 3: Botched assassion on William Birkin results in citywide outbreak.
CVX: Umbrella leaves one of its facilities in the hands of a blatant psychotic.
Survivor: Umbrella's own employee destroys their one and only Tyrant production facility because of Umbrella.
Umbrella Chronicles: Umbrella backs up all information into one location so it can be stolen by one man.

Again Umbrella employees = Umbrella.