Sherry's Fate Revealed

[Archelon]

The other Plaga samples retrieved by Ada are just normal Plagas + several different variants developed by the Los Illuminados.

I'd really like to see a source for this assertion, because I have yet to see anything anywhere that even suggests that the samples Ada acquired were anything other than normal Plagas. Just because Tricell was able to create Type 3 Plagas isn't proof, because for all we know they could have gotten their hands on the Control Plaga thanks to Irving.

I'd also like to see where it's stated that Krauser received a different type of plaga from Mendez and Salazar. Or are you basing this simply on the fact that his mutation is different?

And on that, the people who "wrote" Assignment Ada have one single credit in the series: Wesker's Report. Which is also non-canon.

How is this even relevant? The samples she acquires in Assignment Ada are clearly visible in the case at the end of Separate Ways.

[5 Minutes]

So is Assignment Ada canon or non-canon? I always thought it was non-canon since it didn't seem to really fit in the plot of events...

If it is canon, It seems like it could have taken place after the initial game ended and perhaps Krauser needed to be dealt with a 3rd time? Or maybe all of it is canon, with the exception of the Krauser battle...

Just some thoughts.

Does anyone know any more details about Ada's relationship with Irving? Maybe that will answer some of these questions.

[Carnivol]

Anyway, in fear of repeating yourself repeating myself; %s

Selective how? Shitty localization which just so happens to add in information never seen in any other source, over concrete and accurate information from the original source? Surely not.

First of all, I actually don't expect you to actually even know what a "shitty" localization would be, so I'll just pretend you never actually went there. Anyway, since it's partially (according to you, anyway) relevant to the subject at hand;

We've yet to actually see you ever properly back up anything or properly cite any sources for these things (or, well, Archelon's been nice and tried to fill in some of the blanks here). I'd gladly bend over and accept all sorts of amazingly stunning things if it can actually be proven in a proper way.

You say a whole lot of stuff, so obviously you've put a whole lot of thought into what you write about, but ultimately, you fail at the very basic thing of proving your case; Presenting some sort of concrete, decisive proof or evidence for these statements.

For starters, let's have a look at the master/control plaga thing. Occurrences of this in Resident Evil 4 and Resident Evil 5 (dialog, files, etc.), their exact Japanese counterparts (original text, translations optional), etc..

[Dracarys]

All this arguing over translations and if they are botched or not. Did it never occur that the stories vary for different regions on purpose to best suit the audience? Movies do it all the time so why wouldn't games do it.

A lot of these conflicts seem to come from comparing Japanese only supplementary material to English games. Just asking for conflicts doing that and when it happens it isn't proof of anything.

[Red Queen]

In Biohazard: The Darkside Chronicles, there are unlockable audio files. Some of them are between Krauser and an operator from the secret military agency who, in English, identifies herself as "Ingrid Hanna". However, there isn't a single mention of "Ingrid" in the script. Likewise, she is identified solely as Hanna in the Inside of Biohazard: The Darkside Chronicles book. Therefore, Ingrid = made-up nonsense.

But is this "Ingrid Hanna" or "Hanna" a reference to Ingrid Hunnigan? I mean, is this Ingrid Hunnigan talking to Krauser? I am still unlocking stuff from Darkside Chronicles, unfortunately I don't have much time to play it...

[News Bot]

I'd really like to see a source for this assertion, because I have yet to see anything anywhere that even suggests that the samples Ada acquired were anything other than normal Plagas. Just because Tricell was able to create Type 3 Plagas isn't proof, because for all we know they could have gotten their hands on the Control Plaga thanks to Irving.

1) Examine the laboratory in BH4 closely. The room with the petri dishes. Leon notes that there are several different kinds, some bigger than some, etc. Not to mention, Tricell still have the Plaga used on El Gigante. The Regenerador etc also are all based on different kinds of Plagas.

I'd also like to see where it's stated that Krauser received a different type of plaga from Mendez and Salazar. Or are you basing this simply on the fact that his mutation is different?

Probably the fact that his mutation is different. Control and modified subordinate Plaga affect the entire body post-mutation, Krauser's is limited to his arm.

So is Assignment Ada canon or non-canon? I always thought it was non-canon since it didn't seem to really fit in the plot of events...

If it is canon, It seems like it could have taken place after the initial game ended and perhaps Krauser needed to be dealt with a 3rd time? Or maybe all of it is canon, with the exception of the Krauser battle...

Just some thoughts.

Does anyone know any more details about Ada's relationship with Irving? Maybe that will answer some of these questions.

Assignment Ada isn't canon. However, Ada *does* collect other Plaga samples apart from the cloned control Plaga.

All this arguing over translations and if they are botched or not. Did it never occur that the stories vary for different regions on purpose to best suit the audience? Movies do it all the time so why wouldn't games do it.

A lot of these conflicts seem to come from comparing Japanese only supplementary material to English games. Just asking for conflicts doing that and when it happens it isn't proof of anything.

Modifying the source material to suit a particular region isn't really a factor (in fact none of that is really done). In every single Resident Evil game, the localization is generally terrible in comparison to the original source material. Even the BH1 script is actually fairly decent in comparison to the crap in the Resident Evil release. There are several pieces of the script in the games missing completely, some things completely lost in translation, some stuff added for no real reason, so on and so forth. All that on top of simply botched translations leading to a bunch of ridiculous errors.

But is this "Ingrid Hanna" or "Hanna" a reference to Ingrid Hunnigan? I mean, is this Ingrid Hunnigan talking to Krauser? I am still unlocking stuff from Darkside Chronicles, unfortunately I don't have much time to play it...

The localization added "Ingrid" as a connection to RE4. However, even in the context of the conversation she has with Krauser, it doesn't make any sense at all considering she apparently knows Leon already (they first know of and talk to each other in BH4). This + the fact that Ingrid is only added in the English version (which is filled with errors to begin with, in fact, DC has probably the worst translation/localization in the entire series). Ironically, DC actually corrects a lot of errors from the localization of the original Resident Evil 2 such as using a random name for one of the photographs in RE2 even though its Ben Bertolucci in BH2.

We've yet to actually see you ever properly back up anything or properly cite any sources for these things (or, well, Archelon's been nice and tried to fill in some of the blanks here). I'd gladly bend over and accept all sorts of amazingly stunning things if it can actually be proven in a proper way.

I state where all of the information comes from. I'm not here to hold your hand because you don't feel like taking a look at them.

[Guest]

Now I'm a bit off the knowledge of this paul. Since tri-cell/wesker possessed another master plaga to control the majini's(I know its a modified plaga) were the plagas/majini's eliminated at RE5 on some way? Who in tri-cell possessed the master plaga to control the majini and since both wesker and Excella are now deceased, who comes in line to control the plaga or is it mentioned that they were eliminated at RE5(which I cannot remember/recall due to lack of gathering info). And is it mentioned to be still the same enemy in RE6?

[News Bot]

Now I'm a bit off the knowledge of this paul. Since tri-cell/wesker possessed another master plaga to control the majini's(I know its a modified plaga) were the plagas/majini's eliminated at RE5 on some way? Who in tri-cell possessed the master plaga to control the majini and since both wesker and Excella are now deceased, who comes in line to control the plaga or is it mentioned that they were eliminated at RE5(which I cannot remember/recall due to lack of gathering info). And is it mentioned to be still the same enemy in RE6?

Tricell did not have a control Plaga whatsoever as far as the game reveals. In fact, it states that Majini (and Ndesu etc) are controlled through some other means.

[Dracarys]

Modifying the source material to suit a particular region isn't really a factor (in fact none of that is really done). In every single Resident Evil game, the localization is generally terrible in comparison to the original source material. Even the BH1 script is actually fairly decent in comparison to the crap in the Resident Evil release. There are several pieces of the script in the games missing completely, some things completely lost in translation, some stuff added for no real reason, so on and so forth. All that on top of simply botched translations leading to a bunch of ridiculous errors.

So the answer is you don't know, you just assume changes/additions etc are botched translations or mess ups when it could all be intentional to suit a different market.


Bison, Vega and Balrog all got their names switched about for the western versions of Street Fighter II, it was intentional but anyone who doesn't know better would just assume an error, like you're doing with RE.


Call me crazy but I think a company that numerous times has scrapped games after they have been revealed to the public because they didn't think they were good enough is at least going to make the effort of getting translations done as intended.

[Guest]

Tricell did not have a control Plaga whatsoever as far as the game reveals. In fact, it states that Majini (and Ndesu etc) are controlled through some other means.

Oh shit I forgot Ada gave wesker a fake master plaga. Well anyway was it ever mentioned what Ada did to the real master plaga? Also the making of ouroboros, is there a connection with the plaga?

[News Bot]

So the answer is you don't know, you just assume changes/additions etc are botched translations or mess ups when it could all be intentional to suit a different market.

Uhh, no. You didn't read what I said very much at all, did you?

Bison, Vega and Balrog all got their names switched about for the western versions of Street Fighter II, it was intentional but anyone who doesn't know better would just assume an error, like you're doing with RE.

This is a little more than the difference between "R" and "L".

Call me crazy but I think a company that numerous times has scrapped games after they have been revealed to the public because they didn't think they were good enough is at least going to make the effort of getting translations done as intended.

You're crazy.

[Carnivol]

I state where all of the information comes from. I'm not here to hold your hand because you don't feel like taking a look at them.

Problem is that you're not really stating any sources for some of the stuff being questioned, and every time you don't; it appears to be a case of you not really having a clue what you're on about and just being too stubborn/afraid to admit to being potentially wrong (or you just don't have your source material sorted out, so you're just basing it off of... god knows what.)

The localization added "Ingrid" as a connection to RE4.

And this conclusion you've come to how?

Even the BH1 script is actually fairly decent in comparison to the crap in the Resident Evil release.

Ooooh. I see where this one might be going. Sir/Lord/Mr. debate at 11'?

[TheBatMan]

I would have liked to have thought that Ingrid Hannah was Hunnigan, I mean, why not? It would make sense and they sound very similar.
But I think Paul is right here. If you listen to the voice file with Krauser, Hannah mentions she has already spoken to Leon. However, in RE4, the first codec conversation confirms that he and Hunnigan are speaking for the very first time, so they must be different people.

Also if you want an example of how bad the English localization of Darkside is. Have a look at Communications from Wesker Faxed Documents and Javier's Private Messages. They are both referring to the same person here. However, one file cites a male, the other a female. Its a sloppy error.

My own attitude to these things has mellowed a lot over the last year or so. Our thread on whether RE5 was in 2008 or 2009 really sought of hit home how trivial some of this stuff is. A lot of it is so ambiguous we are not going to convince everybody one way or the other. Just go with your gut, but at the same time appreciate people trying to bring new pieces of evidence to light.

[Carnivol]

I would have liked to have thought that Ingrid Hannah was Hunnigan, I mean, why not? It would make sense and they sound very similar.
But I think Paul is right here. If you listen to the voice file with Krauser, Hannah mentions she has already spoken to Leon. However, in RE4, the first codec conversation confirms that he and Hunnigan are speaking for the very first time, so they must be different people.

As far as I can see, Paul (News Bot) is the only one suggesting that Ingrid Hannah = Ingrid Hunnigan (but at the same time not, as he points out "Ingrid" was an addition in the English script).

Where he's supposedly getting his information on the origins of the supposedly added Ingrid name and its connection to Hunnigan beats me.

[TheBatMan]

True. But if they did randomly just add it themselves then Ingrid is one hell of a coincidence so they must be referring to RE4. But at the same time, how do we know the Japanese 'Hannah' is not a mistake and it is meant to be Hunnigan? I mean, why create a another new character who has the same job, similar voice and very similar name to another character who has already appeared in two other instalments?

Something is getting lost somewhere down the line, that's for sure.