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    As translated from the "Inside of Biohazard: The Darkside Chronicles" glossary section, page 183, "Sherry Birkin".

    "Sherry now is under the custody of the US government, but among the personnels in the department, many of them were spies planted by Wesker. So in fact Sherry now is in a terrible position of double jeopardy."
    Wesker's Report was indeed right, there was a misconception about what Wesker says all along. He simply has access to her and the G-Antibody, but does not have her herself.
    Last edited by News Bot; 05-04-2010, 07:56 PM.
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  • #2
    ...spies in the US government, huh? Not sure how I feel about that one.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by News Bot View Post
      As translated from the "Inside of Biohazard: The Darkside Chronicles" glossary section, page 183, "Sherry Birkin".

      Code:
      "Sherry now is under the custody of the US government, but among the personnels in the department, many of them were spies planted by Wesker. So in fact Sherry now is in a terrible position of double jeopardy."
      Wesker's Report was indeed right, there was a misconception about what Wesker says all along. He simply has access to her and the G-Antibody, but does not have her herself.
      That still doesn't correct the other flaws in Wesker's Report, though.
      And always be careful with what the guide books say, as there's no way to know what was endorsed by the series' writers and what wasn't (excluding information in interviews, of course).


      ...but also be careful with what I say, I'm not the most reliable.

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      • #4
        Yeah you're not.

        Wesker's Report doesn't have any other actual flaws. Considering the events of RE2 are completely ambiguous. And I saw your Gaiden arguments on the Wikia. For the record, I didn't say Leon was apart of the Anti-Umbrella Pursuit and Investigation Team, just that it would be possible considering Leon himself is a US agent who also happens to be a part of an anti-Umbrella organization. Also, I forgot about the Kanzenban reference to Gaiden from Hiroki Kato, however, it does not change very much. Kato wrote Gaiden and it would natural for him to flaunt the dumb shit. However, the statement is wiped out by Darkside Chronicles, where Leon is still in the US government at the time and is not performing any sort of task. Instead, Leon is looking for Chris and Claire.

        And its not a guide book, its an artbook. And everything in the official guidebooks/artbooks is fully endorsed by the series writers (considering it, I dunno, comes from them). And considering every single piece of information in them is taken straight from development/design notes, not much room for error. The ones that aren't, such as the texts by Benny Matsuyama, are stated as such.

        Then there's the fact that most of them are compiled by a Famitsu x Capcom team. Famitsu (along with Dengeki) generally being seen as the Word of God for Japanese gaming (with almost undisputed access to Japanese games and their developement/developers) and Capcom being, well, the people who made the game and wrote the stuff in the first place.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by News Bot View Post
          Yeah you're not.
          I still don't know why you're so aggressive, I can only think I'm doing something that genuinely pisses you off. :/

          Originally posted by News Bot View Post
          Wesker's Report doesn't have any other actual flaws. Considering the events of RE2 are completely ambiguous.
          There's still the anti-Umbrella underground organization thing and Leon receiving the pendant from Sherry.

          Originally posted by News Bot View Post
          And everything in the official guidebooks/artbooks is fully endorsed by the series writers.
          Again, there is simply no way to know that. It could be, but we don't know, that's why I say "be careful".

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          • #6
            There's still the anti-Umbrella underground organization thing and Leon receiving the pendant from Sherry.
            Right, and how many anti-Umbrella underground organizations are there in the series?

            1) Anti-Umbrella Pursuit and Investigation Team
            2) Chris & Jill's anti-biohazard unit
            3) Russian anti-biohazard unit in Umbrella's End (its not actually Chris and Jill's unit)
            4) Countless other regional anti-biohazard units throughout the world
            5) Nameless underground anti-Umbrella organization

            And the pendant thing isn't very difficult to comprehend when you take into account that Biohazard 2 follows no set path, and is a tremendous mix-and-match of events. I'm pretty sure that Ada fights the T-103 AND confronts Leon on the walkway, for example. The only events set in stone are those backed up by other sources later. Sherry's pendant being one, and I'm inclined to bump Umbrella & Darkside Chronicles down a few notches on canonicity when it comes to their half-assed "re-tellings/bastardizations" of the games.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by News Bot
              Right, and how many anti-Umbrella underground organizations are there in the series?

              1) Anti-Umbrella Pursuit and Investigation Team
              2) Chris & Jill's anti-biohazard unit
              3) Russian anti-biohazard unit in Umbrella's End (its not actually Chris and Jill's unit)
              4) Countless other regional anti-biohazard units throughout the world
              5) Nameless underground anti-Umbrella organization
              Yes, but I think GAIDEN was the last game that stated Leon to be part of an anti-Umbrella underground organization. Since then, it's always been the U.S. Government, more specifically, that one secret military agency of the United States that works under the president's direct control.

              Originally posted by News Bot
              And the pendant thing isn't very difficult to comprehend when you take into account that Biohazard 2 follows no set path, and is a tremendous mix-and-match of events.
              Hmm...I don't know if that would work post-2004. For pre-2004, it's very fishy because, at the time Wesker's Report was written, the pendant was taken either by Ada or HUNK, depending on the scenario combination.

              Originally posted by News Bot
              I'm pretty sure that Ada fights the T-103 AND confronts Leon on the walkway, for example.
              Huh? :[ But how would she survive the fall?

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              • #8
                So all those year it was just a bad choice of words of Wesker. Betch, Please

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                • #9
                  Yes, but I think GAIDEN was the last game that stated Leon to be part of an anti-Umbrella underground organization. Since then, it's always been the U.S. Government, more specifically, that one secret military agency of the United States that works under the president's direct control.
                  Indeed, but Darkside material (namely Shattered Memoirs and I believe, Darkside Report) also states that Leon essentially become the US government's main anti-Umbrella operative. While Gaiden is not canon and he may not actually be a part of an underground anti-Umbrella organization in the same capacity anymore, its still possible for him to be affiliated with some considering his position and complete anti-Umbrella stance and outlook..

                  Leon Scott Kennedy became a key member of a special top-secret government agency after surviving the incident of Raccoon City. The former member of the Raccoon City Police Department was only able to fulfill one day of duty after graduating from the police academy. Still, his academy training, along with his own natural combat abilities, was enough to keep him alive through his first encounter with B.O.W.s.

                  After the scarring events that occurred that night in 1998, Leon’s life held a new purpose: to track and eradicate any remaining Umbrella members as part of a secret government agency. He became involved in a variety of covert operations, and his experience with Umbrella’s victims and servants is often put to use by the government.

                  While in the employ of the government, the easy, free-talking youth transformed into a more mature, serious individual. He’s seen things most people can only dream of, and it has started to show in his quiet, mission-orientated nature.

                  His work within the government has allowed him to assist in stopping Umbrella operations across the globe. This has included a hand in the destruction of the revived Ashford family by relaying a message from the captured Claire Redfield to her brother, Chris. Leon’s latest mission brings him to South America, and the four years he has gone without witnessing the horrors of a zombie outbreak are shattered in an instant.
                  Tracking and eradicating... Pursuit and Investigation? Maybe that is the secret government organization? Or perhaps by "put to use", he works for AUPIT on occasion? Just a thought. Leon only transfers to the Secret Service after the complete fall of Umbrella in 2004 following Umbrella Japan's dissolution. Not long before the events of Biohazard 4, in-fact. Rescuing Ashley is his first mission and the History of RESIDENT EVIL timeline also backs it up. The book I referenced in my first post also contains information on AUPIT, or an anti-Umbrella organization at the very least.

                  MAJOR kick in the balls to Gaiden at the end there btw.

                  Huh? :[ But how would she survive the fall?
                  The Umbrella Chronicles novel (which runs with the two events occurring together, and I believe also shows Leon with the pendant) states that she survives by using a grappling hook onto a lower walkway, where she then throws the rocket launcher to Leon and escapes through the sewers.
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                  • #10
                    Nice. Leaves the door open for a number of possibilities, and it really only solidifies my desire for a game that focuses on Sherry's fate, especially if you add Ada into the mix. Considering her mention in Lost in Nightmares, I'd be grateful if "The Organization" could finally be fleshed out.

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                    • #11
                      One thing I'd like to point out is that Hiroki Kato, in the interview Prime Blue referenced, might not be talking about Gaiden. I was always of the belief that he was instead talking about the early version of biohazard 4 which was already in development at that time, or at the very least in the design phase. I'm pretty sure it was stated to take place alongside CV at some point. Confirmation on this please?
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by News Bot
                        Indeed, but Darkside material (namely Shattered Memoirs and I believe, Darkside Report) also states that Leon essentially become the US government's main anti-Umbrella operative. While Gaiden is not canon and he may not actually be a part of an underground anti-Umbrella organization in the same capacity anymore, its still possible for him to be affiliated with some considering his position and complete anti-Umbrella stance and outlook..

                        Tracking and eradicating... Pursuit and Investigation? Maybe that is the secret government organization? Or perhaps by "put to use", he works for AUPIT on occasion? Just a thought.
                        Sure, but we're still missing confirmation that he is a member of an "anti-Umbrella underground organization". I think we would have heard that sometime in the last six years if it still held true. Wesker's Report simply doesn't fit with the current canon and its strict omittance of GAIDEN. It's not a big loss, though, one has to consider that it doesn't reveal much which hasn't been included in more recent sources. It's just kind of there to look and sound nice (which it still does!). It would have been nice to see how it would have fit with the outdated canons.

                        Originally posted by News Bot
                        Leon only transfers to the Secret Service after the complete fall of Umbrella in 2004 following Umbrella Japan's dissolution. Not long before the events of Biohazard 4, in-fact. Rescuing Ashley is his first mission and the History of RESIDENT EVIL timeline also backs it up. The book I referenced in my first post also contains information on AUPIT, or an anti-Umbrella organization at the very least.
                        Hmm...The Darkside Chronicles already shows him in the secret military agency controlled by the president.
                        "History of RESIDENT EVIL" says...
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                        Leon Kennedy was scheduled to join Ashley's Secret Service detail [...]
                        ...but "History of BIOHAZARD" says...
                        Code:
                        Leon S. Kennedy was planned to become Ashley's guard service [...]
                        That of course doesn't tell us if he still was her guard after the Spain incident, though Degeneration leans more towards "no", I'd say. Also note that the guard stuff was Mikami's idea to get the plot rolling for biohazard 4, while the current writers seem to push Leon more in the direction of the "government guy for the viral cases".

                        Originally posted by News Bot
                        The Umbrella Chronicles novel (which runs with the two events occurring together, and I believe also shows Leon with the pendant) states that she survives by using a grappling hook onto a lower walkway, where she then throws the rocket launcher to Leon and escapes through the sewers.
                        Oh, disregard those two, they contain some pretty ridiculous and contradictive "plot points". They were novelizations by Osamu Makino released after the game came out (he also created a novel based on the first live-action movie). SIDE A and SIDE B are basically the Japanese equivalents of S.D. Perry's books, just in fast-forward and horribly written ("Boy, I almost feel like a video game character!").

                        Originally posted by News Bot View Post
                        One thing I'd like to point out is that Hiroki Kato, in the interview Prime Blue referenced, might not be talking about Gaiden. I was always of the belief that he was instead talking about the early version of biohazard 4 which was already in development at that time, or at the very least in the design phase. I'm pretty sure it was stated to take place alongside CV at some point. Confirmation on this please?
                        He is definitely talking about GAIDEN: The book with the Q&A was released on March 31, 2001, two months before the official announcement of the game. The comments also fall just in line with the game, as I posted on the RE Wiki:
                        In the guide book Q&A, Hiroki Kato flat-out states that Leon couldn't rescue Claire from Rockfort Island as he was on a mission for the anti-Umbrella underground organization he had joined. He even tells us that Leon, Barry and Jill are members of anti-Umbrella organizations, but that he cannot say if Jill is in the same as them. There is no way to assume Kato meant to use a different group in Gaiden. That's just a way of trying to "salvage" Wesker's Report for current canon. ;-)
                        Those three sources mentioning the anti-Umbrella underground organization are from Kato.

                        The second version of the fourth main game, Shiso no biohazard 4 (Progenitor biohazard 4) was announced in November 2002, so it's unlikely that the story was already written in March 2001, taking the biohazard 0 rewrite Sugimura did at that time into consideration. A screenshot from the Hiroyuki Kobayashi interview in EGM April 2005 says "The first version of RE4 picked up directly from where Code: Veronica left off." This might as well come from the infamous fake interview, though.

                        I'll recheck the reliable articles to see if there's a concrete date.
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                        • #13
                          That of course doesn't tell us if he still was her guard after the Spain incident, though Degeneration leans more towards "no", I'd say. Also note that the guard stuff was Mikami's idea to get the plot rolling for biohazard 4, while the current writers seem to push Leon more in the direction of the "government guy for the viral cases".
                          I got the impression that Leon's presence in Degeneration wasn't a matter of his rank or position, but because of his experience.

                          Oh, disregard those two, they contain some pretty ridiculous and contradictive "plot points". They were novelizations by Osamu Makino released after the game came out (he also created a novel based on the first live-action movie). SIDE A and SIDE B are basically the Japanese equivalents of S.D. Perry's books, just in fast-forward and horribly written ("Boy, I almost feel like a video game character!").
                          Umm, they came out around the same time as the game, and were written alongside the game's development (and as such, co-incide almost precisely with the game's events)... though I actually can't confirm this right now, but I can't find the actual release date. I just remember seeing the novels on Yahoo Japan Auctions the day the game came out in Japan. They explain the actual background behind Sergei and his 10 clones and his joining Umbrella, as well as how the t-virus got onto the black market following the fall of Umbrella and some other minor storylines such as how Wesker caused the biohazard in the Caucasus facility (and that the t-virus used in it was a new variant, which fits perfectly with the fact that it wipes out the entire facility in an extremely short time) and the identity of Ada's contact in Death's Door. Even the elaborate underground tunnel system beneath the Russian facility is explained as not being the work of Umbrella, which makes complete sense.

                          was announced in November 2002, so it's unlikely that the story was already written in March 2001
                          CODE: Veronica was written in at least 1998.

                          And I was never a fan of Leon being in an anti-Umbrella organization, not even Archives mentions it. I would accept AUPIT at most but its clear that he is not directly a member of it. I'm more than willing to disregard Wesker's Report and Gaiden at a moments notice, and I already did deem Wesker's Report completely non-canon not very long ago.

                          The book also gives the suggestion that Spencer murdered Edward Ashford. Other details are also revealed, such as the exact background on the Evolved Licker (it is a B.O.W. based on the captured Licker specimens of Umbrella) and the Anubis being an Umbrella B.O.W. sold to Javier. The Javier Zombies are also infected with a new variant strain of the t-virus which causes the V-ACT process upon injection. The G-Creatures are also stated to gain their extraordinary vitality etc from a process very similar to V-ACT. Jill's backstory from the S.D. Perry novels is mentioned, we still need to confirm whether its mentioned as part of the storyline or as a reference. The T-Veronica virus administered on Manuela is the one directly extracted from Steve's body by Wesker, so its effects may be a little different comparing to the prototype - confirming "t-Alexia" in some form.

                          The book is filled to the brim with all this sort of stuff.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by News Bot View Post
                            Umm, they came out around the same time as the game, and were written alongside the game's development (and as such, co-incide almost precisely with the game's events)... though I actually can't confirm this right now, but I can't find the actual release date. I just remember seeing the novels on Yahoo Japan Auctions the day the game came out in Japan. They explain the actual background behind Sergei and his 10 clones and his joining Umbrella, as well as how the t-virus got onto the black market following the fall of Umbrella and some other minor storylines such as how Wesker caused the biohazard in the Caucasus facility (and that the t-virus used in it was a new variant, which fits perfectly with the fact that it wipes out the entire facility in an extremely short time) and the identity of Ada's contact in Death's Door. Even the elaborate underground tunnel system beneath the Russian facility is explained as not being the work of Umbrella, which makes complete sense.

                            The book also gives the suggestion that Spencer murdered Edward Ashford. Other details are also revealed, such as the exact background on the Evolved Licker (it is a B.O.W. based on the captured Licker specimens of Umbrella) and the Anubis being an Umbrella B.O.W. sold to Javier. The Javier Zombies are also infected with a new variant strain of the t-virus which causes the V-ACT process upon injection. The G-Creatures are also stated to gain their extraordinary vitality etc from a process very similar to V-ACT. Jill's backstory from the S.D. Perry novels is mentioned, we still need to confirm whether its mentioned as part of the storyline or as a reference. The T-Veronica virus administered on Manuela is the one directly extracted from Steve's body by Wesker, so its effects may be a little different comparing to the prototype.

                            The book is filled to the brim with all this sort of stuff.
                            SIDE A was released about a month later, SIDE B more than two months later than the game. That's why I made "Writers of BIOHAZARD", to estimate the time stories were written – and to know their creators.

                            I think they really are not to be taken seriously, Wesker being "spiritually connected" to all B.O.W.s, controlling them, feeling their pain and so on. :/ It's just a...very weird take on the games. Feels like bad fanfic.

                            Originally posted by News Bot
                            CODE: Veronica was written in at least 1998.
                            I'm talking about Shiso no biohazard 4. ;)

                            I forgot to mention: The FAMITSU article also said that Leon in Shiso no biohazard 4 is part of an anti-Umbrella organization ("underground" is missing, though) – so it would have been cool to see if it would indeed have addressed GAIDEN's cliffhanger...or if Sugimura would have decided to introduce an anti-Umbrella organization into B1 Canon.

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                            • #15
                              Thanks for the correction.

                              I think they really are not to be taken seriously, Wesker being "spiritually connected" to all B.O.W.s, controlling them, feeling their pain and so on. :/ It's just a...very weird take on the games. Feels like bad fanfic.
                              The "connection" is explained as being biological in some form, and it only affects t-virus creatures, and varies from creature to creature (insects produce blurred images and uncontrollable, zombies can be "directed", Tyrants can be controlled). Its weird, but even so, it actually helps explain quite a lot. And I enjoyed Wesker diving into Nemesis' mind and attempting to murder Jill with sheer bloodlust. That was sort of entertaining. I'm wary about it myself though, but everything else in the book is pretty golden and fits very well with the series. Its clear even from the opening preface that a lot of research went into it, the dating for that entire scenario fits extremely well even with Biohazard 5, and it is a bit too much of a coincidence that the novel include the architecture of the Spencer Estate and mention it before the estate actually existed to us yet.

                              Also something of interest. The book confirms once and for all that Gun Survivor and Gun Survivor 4 are indeed canon. GS4 in particular is mentioned in the timeline in the DSC book, the most complete timeline to date. It takes place in September, after Operation Javier, which takes place in Summer. This fits extremely well with the fact that there was never a single zombie outbreak between 1998 and 2002.

                              Likewise, every Tyrant in the series is canonized. Including the purple "Tyrant C" from Outbreak File 2. Albeit, not its appearance of course. Just the fact that it was developed and exists in-universe. It was probably intended for use in File 3.

                              Oh, and the BSAA was reformed by the UN following the events of Degeneration.
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