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Point 11 is quite interesting: Umbrella USA was the one that collapsed... Is there any info if the European branch followed it? If not, there's a thread to develop for RE6's plot.
Nice info News Bot!
"I miss the days when we just cared how cool an enemy was rather than critiquing and analyzing everything to death." - Shield Key
Umbrella Europe fell in 2003 after the Russia branch was destroyed. They eventually lost their court case, and Wesker turned over incriminating evidence.
The last piece of Umbrella to fall was its Japanese subsidiary company, Umbrella Japan Co. Ltd, which fell in March 2004.
Umbrella Europe fell in 2003 after the Russia branch was destroyed. They eventually lost their court case, and Wesker turned over incriminating evidence.
The last piece of Umbrella to fall was its Japanese subsidiary company, Umbrella Japan Co. Ltd, which fell in March 2004.
Oh there goes my evil plot for RE6... LOL.
"I miss the days when we just cared how cool an enemy was rather than critiquing and analyzing everything to death." - Shield Key
NewsBot: Supplementary material like this, however, is NOT set in stone *cough*Wesker Report*cough* They can be revised whenever they feel the need to add, remove or correct a piece of info, unlike the games. I'm not saying this shouldn't be considered but it's subject to be changed given past materials like this.
NewsBot: Supplementary material like this, however, is NOT set in stone *cough*Wesker Report*cough* They can be revised whenever they feel the need to add, remove or correct a piece of info, unlike the games. I'm not saying this shouldn't be considered but it's subject to be changed given past materials like this.
Truest post in here. Any material of external writers should be taken with a grain of salt: Could be true, could be not. Just like with the English guide books.
Honestly, at the end of the day, does it really matter? I know canon is more important to some fans than others, but have any of the games ever actually referenced outside sources? I'm not trying to argue one way or the other here, I'm honestly just curious.
Look at the side games, for example. The only one that has ever been explicitly mentioned in a main game in the series is Gun Survivor, and that was only during the intro to Resident Evil 0. This doesn't mean that the other spinoffs like Dead Aim and the Outbreak games aren't canon, but whether or not they actually are doesn't really affect the main series. If RE0 hadn't mentioned Sheena Island, then it wouldn't really make any difference whether Gun Survivor was canon or not. Heck, even with it being mentioned in RE0, it still doesn't really change anything.
I think it's the same with the outside sources like guidebooks or artbooks. They may very well be canon, but it doesn't really make much of a difference if the actual games never reference them. That's just my two cents on the matter, anyway.
NewsBot: Supplementary material like this, however, is NOT set in stone *cough*Wesker Report*cough* They can be revised whenever they feel the need to add, remove or correct a piece of info, unlike the games. I'm not saying this shouldn't be considered but it's subject to be changed given past materials like this.
Wesker's Report is sort of unique. It was a bonus DVD written by someone with very little overall involvement in the actual writing of the series. It is not the same as the guide books or art books, they're in a completely different league.
Truest post in here. Any material of external writers should be taken with a grain of salt: Could be true, could be not. Just like with the English guide books.
The English guide books don't have direct input from the developers. And the art books are put together by the developers. That's not really a great example.
Also Famitsu (who co-write the books along with Capcom) are generally regarded as Word Of God in the Japanese gaming industry (along with Dengeki). They have more access to Capcom (and every other Japanese company) than most people give them credit for. Take the BSAA Remote Desktop and Adam's Experience Kijuju blog for example. Famitsu was directly involved with those, much in the same way they are directly involved with the guide books. They have a particularly close relationship when it comes to companies like Capcom and Konami.
Honestly, at the end of the day, does it really matter? I know canon is more important to some fans than others, but have any of the games ever actually referenced outside sources? I'm not trying to argue one way or the other here, I'm honestly just curious.
In some cases, yes. But the whole point of supplemental material/outside sources is to add to the game. Not the other way around (that would completely defeat the entire point).
Here's the way I see it. You can take the Resident Evil games as stand-alone products. But then not very much of the plot (or indeed, other aspects) will make a whole lot of sense. You can go for the original Japanese versions, and quite a lot will be explained. You'll squeeze about 30% more plot out of them for the sheer virtue that they are the original unfiltered versions, whilst "Resident Evil" is heavily bastardized through translation, localization and indeed just shit editing (for example, the "NE-t virus"). But even after this, massive sections will be missing. The guide books, art books and other supplemental material such as the Prelude to the Fall manga, Wesker's Report II, 4D Executer help fill in the gaps, as well as add more to the series mythos overall. If you don't care for the latter, you really should stick to the games rather than even attempt to get involved in any sort of plot related discussion because in all fairness, it's likely that you'll fall short considering you're already heavily limiting yourself in terms of sources and credibility.
And it's true that Gun Survivor etc are spin-offs, but they are still heavily important to the overall "bigger picture". And yes, they are referenced one way or another. Gun Survivor shows the T-103 mass-production line, which other games directly reference (such as C:V, UC and DC). Gun Survivor 4 has the same lab which Claire infiltrates in CODE: Veronica (GS4 is the original direct sequel to C:V) as well as the G-Virus. Both of them are written by Noboru Sugimura. Who is, need I remind you, not exactly the least credible man when it comes to the series. Considering he did basically create most of the series mythos and plot.
You can ignore supplemental material if you wish but trying to call it completely unnecessary and irrelevant is a bit immature since you're basing it off nothing but your own personal preference.
The English guide books don't have direct input from the developers. And the art books are put together by the developers. That's not really a great example.
Also Famitsu (who co-write the books along with Capcom) are generally regarded as Word Of God in the Japanese gaming industry (along with Dengeki). They have more access to Capcom (and every other Japanese company) than most people give them credit for. Take the BSAA Remote Desktop and Adam's Experience Kijuju blog for example. Famitsu was directly involved with those, much in the same way they are directly involved with the guide books. They have a particularly close relationship when it comes to companies like Capcom and Konami.
You'll have to check the credits, the ones I've come across so far were made by external writers – most from Karitajian, some from Studio BentStuff. I'm planning to add the Japanese source books to "Writers of BIOHAZARD" to have a better overview over this expanded universe material.
Bottom line, the creators have access to concept art and renders, but that doesn't confirm they were proofread or even co-authored by the original writers. The book staffs could have access to drafts of game scripts and background material, but they might as well have put together their own theories like so many English guide books do. There's no way to know. And as Archelon noted, unless the information is verified in future games, you'll just have to take it as ambiguous canon. Could be true, could be not. I for one wouldn't be suprised if we never see Sherry or the Plagas again.
You can ignore supplemental material if you wish but trying to call it completely unnecessary and irrelevant is a bit immature since you're basing it off nothing but your own personal preference.
I think "immature" is never the right word, no matter when it is used.
You'll have to check the credits, the ones I've come across so far were made by external writers – most from Karitajian, some from Studio BentStuff. I'm planning to add the Japanese source books to "Writers of BIOHAZARD" to have a better overview over this expanded universe material.
That's true, but "writing" doesn't mean they made things up, just that they... wrote it.
The stuff that is outright written by the creators of the guides are explicitly labelled in almost every case, such as the texts by Benny Matsuyama.
The stuff that is outright written by the creators of the guides are explicitly labelled in almost every case, such as the texts by Benny Matsuyama.
All of it is written by the creators of the guides, that's why they are the creators of the guides. The question is how much input was received from the original writers, and again: No way to know that, no matter how it's turned or twisted.
All of it is written by the creators of the guides, that's why they are the creators of the guides. The question is how much input was received from the original writers, and again: No way to know that, no matter how it's turned or twisted.
That was basically my point.
But its unlikely, given how much they have access to by default, that they made-up most of it. The enemy and character descriptions in particular are far too well-written from an in-universe perspective to be completely fabricated by them unless they are fucking top-notch writers. Some of the knowledge is just too good. The English guides in particular look like nursery books compared to the stuff in the Japanese guides.
Also, Biohazard Archives (officially the main resource on the series which the developers themselves use as their primary reference) is made up *completely* of information from the guides. There were shots from RE5's development where the team had copies of the book sitting at their desks while playing through the game. Not to mention the fact that the timeline in RE5 is essentially the Archives one (which itself is the one from CODE: Veronica Kanzenban Kaitaishinsho) with new additions.
You can ignore supplemental material if you wish but trying to call it completely unnecessary and irrelevant is a bit immature since you're basing it off nothing but your own personal preference.
I didn't call the supplemental material unnecessary or irrelevant. All I was saying was that, I think, for a lot of people, whether or not the supplemental material is actually canon isn't that big of a deal. For you and the other members of Project Umbrella, for example, it obviously is a very big deal, which is fine. But there's also nothing wrong with a person going strictly by what's presented in the games, especially if that is all they have access to.
In any case, I highly doubt most people who only go by what is presented in the games would have much interest in getting into a debate regarding what's canon and what's not in the first place.
Last edited by Archelon; 05-15-2010, 06:02 PM.
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