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  • #46
    I think having Barry's daughters as potential candidates for protagonists of future RE games is playing it too damn safe.

    I think that comes from the fear some here have of having some new characters taking over. So instead, they feel it's a lot safer to drag out some of the minor characters from obscurity, put a gun on their hands and have them shoot zombies.

    And you can only go back to Raccoon city so many times. Eventually, Capcom will have to deal with the fact that it's presently a crater filled with T-Virus infected cockroaches. And that they need to focus on creating new scenarios where the fight against the baddies can continue without being so repetitive.
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    • #47
      Originally posted by Pikminister View Post
      I think that comes from the fear some here have of having some new characters taking over.
      There are enough characters in the Resident Evil stable. More than enough, actually. The problem is, most of them are throwaway characters(Barry, Rebecca, Carlos, and now Sheva) who pop up in one game, maybe make a cameo in another, and are never heard from again.

      The main characters of the series are Chris, Jill, Leon, Claire, Ada and Wesker. Chris and Jill will be appearing in Revelations, so I pray to God we can rule them out for RE6 because they need to retire. Leon is a possibility(gag), Claire was last seen as a babysitter-type in Degeneration, and Wesker is dead. Who does that leave? Ada.

      Ada Wong and her 'Organization' are the only loose ends left in the ever-failing Resident Evil storyline. That's the only place RE6 should go. Maybe Sherry too, but other than the Wesker's Report(that's been refuted, mind you), I think she can fit into the Carlos and Sheva category also.

      I'm not saying make Ada playable, but make the storyline about her and her Organization. Put a handgun in the hands of a civilian who's not a super secret agent who can reload Matrix-style and jump-climb walls and do backflips as they kill zombies. Give us the suspense again. Think Silent Hill when imagining the main character.


      Also...Barry's daughters? Are you people kidding me?

      Of course, this is all moot to me, because I'd rather not see a RE6 at all.
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      • #48
        Originally posted by Det. Beauregard View Post
        I like the idea of Barry's daughters making an appearance, although their names (Polly and Moira, I believe) aren't the best.
        Yes, their names are Moira and Polly.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by ChrisRedfield29 View Post
          In my opinion, if RE6 is to succeed and simultaneously not be a reboot, it will need any combination of these components:

          - Ada Wong
          - Sherry Birkin
          - Zombies
          - 'The Organization'
          - TriCell
          - Less third person shooter, more survival horror
          Agreeed!


          p.s. And yes Barry's daughters....?? please thats just sad

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Det. Beauregard View Post
            I like the idea of Barry's daughters making an appearance, although their names (Polly and Moira, I believe) aren't the best.
            The name Polly isn't exactly the best, though Moira is perfectly fine. I've seen a few characters with the same name that have been rather popular.

            I thought it was a sound idea, considering that usually the complaints on characters are:

            If it's an old character, people want a new one OR they want their own (if we got a Claire game, people would complain that they want a Jill game and so-on).

            If it's a new character, then they'll complain that they want the old ones back as they've got ties to past events and the like that make them a preferable choice.

            Now, if it goes on in a cycle like that - there are plenty of older characters that could be used again, but when thinking about that the characters are aging and the like then that would sort of put Nicholai, Carlos and others out of the selection range - but as we've only seen a few characters at young ages such as Polly, Moira Burton, Sherry Birkin, Lilly and Lott Klein - they all have decent ties and would be logical choices considering that they would be old and/or still young enough to do the part.

            Now, since people want Barry - although, he is aging he will do anything for his family and since we don't know what he's been up to - it would make sense for him to teach his wife and children how to protect themselves if there was a chance for another incident to spiral off into the disaster that was Raccoon city.

            Off the top of my head, since we also don't see him working with who we would logically put him with (any of the former S.T.A.R.S. members or Leon) outside of some general weapon modifications for Chris then with those characters getting older - I could see him being used in a prologue or even as a support type character but the thing is he's even older than the other characters at this point so if we were going to have characters that may have cheesy jokes OR nifty weapons then we'd probably have someone from the Burton family considering that after changes to the initial Biohazard 2 Chris got himself a younger sibling so family ties aren't exactly out of the question for the games.

            I mean, sure they could use the majority of the older characters again but the majority are too old (in their mid-30s) so the usual complaints would continue when a new character isn't exactly needed as they already have existing characters that would essentially be "new" to us if reintroduced older to us as they've grown up across the time line of the games.

            But that's just my reasoning on it, which seemed sound enough for me in contrast to say new characters as we saw in Dead Aim with Morpheus or that Sheva, Josh and the like were introduced in one of the more mindless action-ish ones with some repetitive dialogue among other things that made it a you either love it or hate it kind of thing.

            And ChrisRedfield29, if we put a gun into civilian hands well - we know how that turned out with Outbreak, another one of those either love it or hate it things that Capcom dropped due to the sales so I don't really see them going down that road again for a while now.

            Anyway, I wouldn't want a game with Ada resulting in Sherry as I'd much rather a Claire game (see the point I made earlier?) It would simply be a tie-up when there are a few other things with characters, events and so-on just sinking into a void of [Unknown]. Or that, if we had another Ada game continuing as the series is right now, I doubt we'd get zombies or anything (I'm not really going to believe Capcom's marketing for Revelations at this point, considering how they've shown zombies and scrapped them and other things that would have worked from a fan perspective) less action-ish than the last two games considering that Ada was already part of 4, Claire hasn't been seen since Degen so in the so-called game/character cycle Claire should also be showing up as well at some point.

            It was just a thought that seemed to make sense though essentially nobody can be fucking happy with this franchise regardless of what is chosen.
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            • #51
              I'm not sure there's much of a base for the argument that fans don't want new characters at all. The main reason why for the last few years fans have mostly appeared to want the old characters is because of how unfinished the series felt. Code Veronica ended on a note where the story and characters were still relevant, then RE4 came along which destroyed much of what was expected and anticipated (by throwing Umbrella's demise into a prologue and the game itself hardly having any meaning or relevance to the previous games). RE5 has stepped up the timeline and put more of a closure to several aspects of the previous games. While there is still material available to continue the series, I think most fans (that aren't total fanboys/girls for a single character) would be quite happy to see a reboot or totally new characters.

              And that means new characters, not silly name or relationship tie-in characters. While yes it could be argued Barry could have taught his wife and daughters to protect themselves, it would be too coincidental if they were caught up in an accident and writing them in as young cadets into the BSAA or another organization and base a game around them just feels like stretching things just for some kind of recognition. It wouldn't even do any real good, as fans of Barry would still want Barry and not his daughter(s). The tie-in is just unnecessary.

              Other characters that were side characters have pretty much fallen off the planet anyway. Newer and mainstream fans won't care about Billy or Carlos. Rebecca seems to have just disappeared, though she would be older now and still has some potential. It just seems weird that there's no info on what happened to her. Sherry has a little bit of potential as well, but at this point I think they missed the most obvious and (arguably) the best potential with her as everyone expected Wesker to have kidnapped her and now with him gone, unless they bring Wesker back (please no), they'd have to have the new villain kidnap her. Unless you want to make her an older, trained soldier involved in a new crisis somewhere. Seems like a wasted potential though and just pulled in for a name tie-in.

              I think most fans would appreciate a reboot with new characters and a new direction. You could still include information about some of the old characters, but I think we need to follow some new characters. I think it would open up the door for more possibilities, stories, and not be restricted so much by old characters.

              As for civilians being playable, I don't think that's the reason why Outbreak wasn't as successful. It wasn't as successful because the console online scene just wasn't quite what it is now, no voice chat, and technical aspects of the game. Playing as civilians caught up in a situation has some real potential if the game itself is made good and could bring a fresh aspect to a series that (aside from Outbreak) has all starred cops or soldiers, with the exception of Claire and they even storylined her as Chris's sister and was familiar with weapons and such.

              But yeah, not everyone will be pleased no matter which direction they go, that's true. Just how it is at this point. Fans will always have different ideas and opinions.
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              • #52
                From what I've seen across other sites, there is a fair amount that would rather have older characters reused than new ones as they're more familiar.

                I honestly wouldn't mind some new characters, but as a general thought as to bring Barry in more as he isn't really seen helping Chris outside of weapon modifications for him and he is quite the family man - I would at the very least expect to see Barry and his family together again at some point to show that they've aged or general bit of information on them and a few other characters that I had mentioned which have just vanished into the void pretty much.

                As you did bring up them being in the B.S.A.A. - if they were to show up in that manner, I think that would be a bit more preferable in contrast to say, a character like Dave who is simply introduced for a small section of the game before being killed off moments later as although we know he's a skilled driver, from what I recall we don't really find out anymore than that or anything in relation as to why he joined and/or was recruited into the B.S.A.A. aside from that.

                As for a villain, a fair amount have called for Nicholai to reappear but as for Sherry we do know that Wesker was cutting deals so she could show up elsewhere being a captive or perhaps that she would show up not as a soldier considering her parents' talent - a researcher or something of the sort considering Wesker did mention that he wouldn't underestimate William and that he had a suspicion about Sherry.

                All I'm really saying is that, I wouldn't mind if some of the older characters did pop up as side characters (I didn't actually specifically say main characters) to fill in on what they've been up to since we last saw them.

                I wasn't saying that it was that they were civilians being the issue, it was that due to it being unsuccessful at the time and Capcom looking to be focused on profit (especially with how mainstream and action-ish 5 was, following on from 4's success it certainly doesn't feel or look like a horror/survival horror game considering that, and that we see Capcom still pushing it's ports of 4 onto things such as the iPad) - I don't really see them going down that path again for a while.

                I would rather another Outbreak, or for them to be ported but I don't see it happening for a while regardless of the petitions.
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                • #53
                  If there's anything to take out of the DLC it is this.

                  If they went back to the classic system it would still work out wonderfully so we have a candidate for future RE games to go back to their roots.

                  The other is that even for the RE4 gameplay that carried on to RE5 Barry is one of the finest additions to mercs and he should have been part of the final build for RE5 if they were going for the whole RE1 reunion. Yeah, Chris, Wesker and Jill was good but how bout Rebecca and Barry?

                  RE6 should either close the Sherry/Steve arc with Claire as a protagonist. Close the Leon/Ada arc with the new organization Ada works for.

                  Or......star Barry. Have his family caught up in the middle used as collateral and have Burton go in guns a blazin' with a vengeance. Those familiar with Die Hard know Barry is the John McClane of this damn series only his catch phrase is "I have this!"

                  Since we're moving this series into more intense action Barry is the prime obvious lead. Why he wasn't in a gun survivor or chronicles game I'll never understand.

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                  • #54
                    Before introducing new characters, I would like complete closure with the old cast. Not another "she saved the day, escaped in a helicoptor - never to be heard of again"

                    The previous character's whereabouts could be in the form of a book, a movie, a file, a brief cut-scene, whatever - just give me closure. Before the old story line is wiped out completely, I prefere there be no lingering questions, no room for sequels or mysterious pop-ups.

                    I think we need one last main game to wrap up EVERYTHING. Including this Alex Wesker crap. Then I can finally accept new characters, new story, new setting, etc with no connections whatsoever with the previous Resident Evil.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Alzaire View Post
                      Other characters that were side characters have pretty much fallen off the planet anyway. Newer and mainstream fans won't care about Billy or Carlos. Rebecca seems to have just disappeared, though she would be older now and still has some potential. It just seems weird that there's no info on what happened to her. Sherry has a little bit of potential as well, but at this point I think they missed the most obvious and (arguably) the best potential with her as everyone expected Wesker to have kidnapped her and now with him gone, unless they bring Wesker back (please no), they'd have to have the new villain kidnap her.
                      Of the old characters, I think Rebecca and Ada would work the best. We know Ada has not given up her action-packed spy life, and no closure was ever given to Rebecca after the Raccoon City incidents. I think Carlos would actually work, since he has been a mercenary for most of his life - it's not hard to imagine him joining B.S.A.A. (if they go that route). No one knows what happened to him, other than he escaped Raccoon City. Billy would be pointless, as he just escaped and made a new life for himself.

                      As for Sherry, I think it would be cool if she became a scientist. I'm assuming that Wesker did not kidnap her (and that the U.S. government took her), thus it's possible. She became a scientist because her parents were, and it always intrigued her or something. So she's working in a lab and some zombie-esque virus breaks out, bringing back memories of her childhood. Soon it infects the whole city she works in, but due to the G antibodies in her system, she is immune (I'm assuming the virus is somehow related to Umbrella-made viruses of the past). Mix in some Tricell (or whatever the big evil corporation of the day is) conspiracies and bring back old B.O.W.s (hunters, lickers, etc.) and you've got a survival horror RE6! And remember that Sherry isn't some soldier with special training, so no jumping down 50-foot ladders or dodging laser beams.
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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Enetirnel View Post

                        Though, I'd much rather have something like Barry's daughters (one or both) showing up in some of the games or something as a logical choice for a "new" character.
                        That would be the best idea Capcom can come up with. Introduce barry's daughter and make her into a new character. I wouldn't mind that at all!

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                        • #57
                          I want Resident Evil 6 to be a series reboot. I think that it's time Capcom started fresh again.

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                          • #58
                            I think RE6 should try to blend both action and survival styles. Lost In Nightmares showed us that it can be done, maybe adding more variety and some parts like RE4's "sewers" where you find the Novistadors for the first time...
                            Storywise would be the problem for me. The current RE lore is pretty rich but it's a convoluted mess if you ask me. We have potential characters everywhere that are in a dark place that can be exploted. On the other hand, we have no more villians. We need someone new. If not, there's two loose ends from Umbrella: Nicholai and Christine Henri... I'm not considering Alex Wesker because I think we need a break from all Wesker related stuff.
                            I think that the series still have some life on it... It's just how they approach it. Revelations should give us insight on how the sixth installment will be, because I don't see RE6 appearing anytime soon.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Enetirnel View Post
                              Regarding Barry, I think it would be interesting to see if the Raccoon city incident motivated him to train his daughters. Would be rather interesting if one or both of them were introduced if Barry was to have a part in future games as you've said either in part of a prologue or even in role or temporary role as a support character like Ingrid Hunnigan as you mentioned.

                              Of course, if they were to have a meetup it would be nice to have a mention of say Ark or Barry at a point. Though, I do like the idea of the scenarios back again.

                              presidentevil, so... essentially a game with Wesker pre-5.

                              That'd be interesting too. XD
                              You know I actually forgot that Barry had daughter haha, its been so long since I played the first game. I agree though that It would be very interesting if Barry trained his daughters in case they got caught up in an outbreak. They could even make a spin off or something in which one or two (co-op haha) go to rescue Barry from some evil ex Umbrella scientist.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by I_Am_Nemesis View Post
                                You know I actually forgot that Barry had daughter haha, its been so long since I played the first game. I agree though that It would be very interesting if Barry trained his daughters in case they got caught up in an outbreak. They could even make a spin off or something in which one or two (co-op haha) go to rescue Barry from some evil ex Umbrella scientist.
                                XD Well, I play the original game every now and then as it's tied with REmake for being my favorite so I tend to remember more about Barry and the like than the characters and whatnot from the newer games.

                                I'm glad you thought it was interesting as well, as I wouldn't be surprised if Barry did train/teach them how to defend themselves if something like Raccoon ever happened again.

                                XD Not sure about that, but it just would be nice to use some of the existing characters again that aren't "too old" for an appearance. Though, it would be interesting with your idea there... especially as there's still a few characters with ties to Umbrella floating around out there.

                                Co-op, maybe. Only if it's optional. XD
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