Shinji Mikami wants nothing to do with Resident Evil 6

[Enrico Marini]

RE5 was just RE4 repackaged with the whole Chris/Wesker premise played out, and i can see them just doing this again and again until they kill the series.

Isn't the series already dead? Since as you said they've made Wesker part of a program so they can essentially just keep recycling this mechanic. Reeks or little or no new ideas.

As for my stance on the whole RE4 not being a RE, it is and it isn't. My major gripe with 4 was that they built up the goddamn Destroy Umbrella Arc to do it off camera in and explained in a 2 minute intro which then birthed Umbrella Chronicles which I felt was an even worse cop out. To me if they had finished the Umbrella Arc, 4 would probably have been more welcome into the fold. A new direction for a new saga.

[Grem]

Unbelievable, but possible. Sorta like these group of exceptional athletes known as "Urban/Street Ninjas"

Some of their moves make Leon & Ada look like amateurs...

Exactly, Leon is just doing some basic stuffs that gymnasts know.

You've got to remember one thing about Leon : he's also lucky!

Even Ada mentions this in her reports. It's not just his skills but also his luck that made him survive the laser room, for instance.

In my opinion, Chris does more unbelievable things in RE5, but it's less showy (for example when Chris falls from over 3 stories but doesn't get hurt before the 2nd fight against wesker).

[xfactor]

http://www.videogamer.com/news/resid...of_resi_6.html

I don't know if you guys knew about this or not, but I figured I'd post it here incase you were interested.

My thoughts? He wanted nothing to do with RE5, and I can't say I blame him. It really feels like he is frustrated with Capcom, and that Capcom wouldn't let him do what he wanted with the series. Remember, he wanted 3.5 the way it was, but Capcom made him change it. And I wouldn't be surprised if it was the same thing with 1.5. And Mikami wanted to keep RE4 a GameCube exclusive, and Capcom changed that on him too. Both 1.5 and 3.5 were in development by him, and Capcom gave him shit over it. He may have liked RE4, but I don't think that is the way he really wanted RE4 to be.

He didn't express any frustration with Capcom there. The reason he stated for not waiting to do anything with RE6 is because he's gonna feel weird that the game will turns out differently because it is handled by other people.

Its like you're a writer who wrote a great story, and someone else wrote a official sequel to your story. You'll feel fucked in the mind

[Becky's Butt]

I think Chris' boulder feat is more ridiculous than anything Leon did in RE4.

But this is Resident Evil. It wouldn't be RE without stuff being ridiculous and nonsensical.

That's what separates me from other long time fans I think. I loved RE4 (and Zero) because I don't take the series...seriously. I can debate the plot, talk about what characters I think should hook up and all that kind of fanboy stuff but I'm still 100% aware that nothing in this franchise is logical.

RE is founded on action and horror cliches, bad science that features viruses the way old fiction used to feature radiation and various other absurd elements. It's why i can only scratch my head when people whine about RE4. Years before RE4 came out we had magical tentacles and our main antagonist's goal was to create a giant bioweapon with an exposed vital organ.

[rewak]

The point isn't that it's ridiculous, the point is the games have always been about survival hence the term survival horror. If you start saying these characters can do stuff like that, they become almost super-human, it doesn't feel like you're battling for survival anymore, it feels like these characters can just breeze through it and don't have to try to survive, and you lose a kind of connection between the character and the player.

[Darkmoon]

That and RE4's plot and gameplay was so heavily disconnected from the main story, and silly as hell too boot. Yes, I know, the series is hardly groundbreaking in it's writting, and as camp as Steven Fry in a two man tent, but RE4 was, at least for my money, the worst plotline by a long stretch. It just didn't work for me.

Combined with the loss of gameplay elements I, personally, enjoyed a great deal...

[Jill's Boob]

How do we define "RE" anyway?

-A mystery (what's causing these murders/what made these zombies)
-A sense of isolation
-Horrific monsters/gruesome sights
-Cliche villain and some campy dialogue
-Jump Scares (the most notorious being the dogs jumping through the windows)
-Foreboding music

Alzaire already covered this in great detail up above, but you are tailoring a few things to fit your argument. Besides, your points can easily be applied to every other game in the RE series.

Considering that the playable character(s) in every main game was a sworn officer/protector with the exception of one (Claire) one would think there would have been more flipping, jumping, physical combat, etc...

I think RE4 just showed us how the characters should have physically operated in these situations...

Are you kidding me? So any policeman or law enforcement officer should be able to do acrobatic flips and jumps, AND be an advanced hand-to-hand combatant? Sheesh, I guess that the next time I get pulled over for speeding, I'll ask the police officer to do some backflips and frontflips just for the hell of it. LOL.

What world do you live in? Law enforcement people spend lots of time learning weapons proficiency, takedown tactics, and bureaucratic & legal policies (yes, they actually have to do lots of paperwork and know laws/rights...certainly moreso than knowing how to do Cirque du Soleil flips). For them to do advanced physical combat requires even longer training & schooling. When do they find the time to become Olympic gymnasts?

Lay off the bong & Michael Bay films. Real life doesn't work that way. The thing about RE1 & RE2 was that the characters were ordinary folks in extraordinary situations. Powerful firearms helped for sure, but other than that the characters seemed "normal."

Of course, they should have choked and died in the volcanno due to the toxic fumes and terrifying heat, which in some ways was sillier than flipping the lazer beams...

How do people always forget that Leon was inside of a volcano, just a few feet above molten lava in RE4? At least Chris & Sheva & Wesker were exposed to the atmosphere in their volcano fight. Leon was INSIDE a closed-environment, traversing the level while fighting 2 Gigantes & those stupid mobile stone dragons that sprayed fire. Leon would have suffocated in a split second due to the extreme & contained heat. His flesh would have melted.

Both volcano fights were stupid, but at least logically the RE5 one had a miniscule redeeming quality: exposure to atmosphere.

I think Chris' boulder feat is more ridiculous than anything Leon did in RE4.

Of course you do. Except that Chris (however stupid it was) moved it through physical force, a round rock which was already on a however slightly gradual downward path. Surely you've heard of extraordinary circumstances where adrenaline gets a mother to lift a car from her baby (or whatever the stories are)? It's still dumb that Chris can punch and push a boulder, but it still seems somewhat plausible (however small).

Leon's gravity-defying stunt in RE4 (which Darkmoon posted above) is so laughably ridiculous (and beyond the realm of believability) that it seems mind-numbing that even people who love RE4 cannot embrace it as such. Then of course there is the laser hallway scene...ugh.

[Grem]

The thing about RE1 & RE2 was that the characters were ordinary folks

So, according to you a 23 years old woman trained by the delta force and a 19 years student able to fire weapons and master knife combat are ordinary folks?

The only ordinary protagonist in this series has to be Leon from RE2. Not much experience and just a rookie cop without any special skills. All the others are typical action heroes who can do almost the impossible.

[Jill's Boob]

So, according to you a 23 years old woman trained by the delta force and a 19 years student able to fire weapons and master knife combat are ordinary folks?

The only ordinary protagonist in this series has to be Leon from RE2. Not much experience and just a rookie cop without any special skills. All the others are typical action heroes who can do almost the impossible.

How are the others typical action heroes that can do almost the impossible? Chris & Jill & Barry & Rebecca (who can be argued as being even more of a rookie cop than RE2 Leon) are basic (if somewhat farfetched) law enforcement agents. Sure, they are in a special tactics squad, so they should be trained better than basic police men/women. But they don't perform anything eccentric like ninja flips or laser dodges or boulder punches. What did they do that is "almost the impossible" other than survive extraordinary circumstances?

As for Jill being Delta Force-trained...that truly is ridiculous, since women aren't allowed to be combat operators in a special forces unit like that. They do, however, serve support roles so I choose to believe that Jill did that. Besides, her young age precludes her from having the requisite experience for such an outfit. And don't even get me started on Rebecca's exaggerated accomplishments in relation to her age. At face value though, the characters in RE1 & RE2 are relatively "normal" humans.

Concerning Claire...considering her brother was in the military and a law enforcement agent, it's not implausible to think he taught her to be comfortable with firearms and a knife. And I'm still not sure what "master knife combat" she displayed in RE2? She hacked and slashed like any regular human knows to do with a sharp instrument. It's certainly not like she used a knife (as if it were a sword) to duel Krauser.

As to the other comment about law enforcement officers/agents/military personnel...they learn & study rules & regulations/procedures/rules of engagement/etc. They carry firearms because hand-to-hand combat can be negated in certain instances depending on various circumstances. To think that these "protectorates" of society will know how to do ninja kicks/flips, etc is beyond ridiculous.

I don't even know why anyone here is arguing as such. The series started off as somewhat believable pertaining to the protagonists and rapidly devolved in RE3, RECV, and went warp-drive-suspension-of-belief with 4. 5 was also pretty bad in this department, but nowhere near as bad as 4.

It's one of the reasons why I pray for a reboot and the establishment of new characters. Sure the story elements - zombie virus, creatures, etc are also greatly farfetched, but at least realistic characters provide an air of tension & dread. Spin kicks, ninja flips, falcon punches, secret spies in evening dresses swinging around the cold night sky like spider man...these things DO NOT belong in RE.

P.S. - Your comment about RE2 Leon not having any special skills...I guess being shot through the chest and quickly recovering to continue the mission at hand is not something in the realm of your definition of "typical action hero doing the impossible."

P.S. #2 - Shinji Mikami severed his ties with Capcom, and moved on to Platinum Games. He's got his hands full with Vanquish and whatever the other title is that he's working on. Capcom is anxious to pump out RE6 ASAP. So the stars are not aligned in any way for this situation to come about.

[5 Minutes]

Are you kidding me? So any policeman or law enforcement officer should be able to do acrobatic flips and jumps, AND be an advanced hand-to-hand combatant? Sheesh, I guess that the next time I get pulled over for speeding, I'll ask the police officer to do some backflips and frontflips just for the hell of it. LOL.

What world do you live in? Law enforcement people spend lots of time learning weapons proficiency, takedown tactics, and bureaucratic & legal policies (yes, they actually have to do lots of paperwork and know laws/rights...certainly moreso than knowing how to do Cirque du Soleil flips). For them to do advanced physical combat requires even longer training & schooling. When do they find the time to become Olympic gymnasts?

Lay off the bong & Michael Bay films. Real life doesn't work that way. The thing about RE1 & RE2 was that the characters were ordinary folks in extraordinary situations. Powerful firearms helped for sure, but other than that the characters seemed "normal.

Wow, Someone's pretty emotional over Leon. And to answer your questions in the first paragraph. Yes, Yes & Yes. Also, I don't know who Michael Bey is. BTW, Im done with this topic, these posts are getting entirely too long and boring. *yawns*

[Becky's Butt]

Wow, Someone's pretty emotional over Leon.

JB has an unhealthy fixation with Leon.

Anyway, the hand wave of "lol Chris must have taught Claire how to use a gun and crap" always annoyed me. It was just so stupid to think an ordinary civilian could operate a grenade launcher and there was zero explanation for it.

Then DSC went and had Cliare say Chris taught her how to fight and junk. So whatever, it's actually canon now.

[leftshoe18]

Shinji Mikami severed his ties with Capcom, and moved on to Platinum Games. He's got his hands full with Vanquish and whatever the other title is that he's working on.

You mean this game? I'm pretty interested in it seeing that Akira Yamaoka is working on it as well.

[CrimsonElder]

I have to disagree with people who say this series has gone over the top. It was definatley already over the top from the start. How is Jill/Carlos taking a rocket launcher to the face (RE3) anymore stupid than Chris pushing a large rock. Just think back about each title and you will easily find stupid flaws with RE.

As far as Mikami not wanting to be involved with RE6 I have to say I'm a little gutted. I think if you want to reboot the series or revive it then who better to put in charge than the guy that created it. I can see a Western director getting his hands on the game and then we could be in deep shit. You will be begging for a game like RE 4 and 5. Hell I really enjoyed Re5 and I'm not ashamed to admit it. Yeah the original game wasnt so scary but take into account LIN which was originally part of RE5. LIN alone scared me 10 times more than RE4 ever did. First time I played LIN on Veteran and the Keeper bursts through one of the doors in the upper part of the mansion. Where Jill plays the piano. Really didnt expect that and I jumped big time! I havent jumped that much since Dead Space.

They have 3 options with where to go with RE6. They can either stay the same, make it even more action orientated or go back to the roots and return to the horror. Personally I hope after the sucess of LIN that they will return to horror. However RE5 was a huge success in terms of sales so they might take the if its not broke dont fix it approach.

[Jill's Boob]

BTW, Im done with this topic, these posts are getting entirely too long and boring. *yawns*

Damn, and we were all so fortunate to have you participate in this thread with your thought-provoking, well-articulated sentiments on jumping & flipping law enforcement agents and urban ninjas. Our loss, I suppose.

BB has an extremely unhealthy, homoerotic fixation with Leon.

Fixed.

It was just so stupid to think an ordinary civilian could operate a grenade launcher and there was zero explanation for it.

Yes, because out of all the weaponry featured in game, a grenade launcher relies the most on pinpoint accuracy and extensive familiarization training. Obviously you should put aside your "bishonen" and read up on weapons and their ease/difficulty of use.

[Becky's Butt]

It's amazing how everything you say shows off what an arrogant twat you are.

Anyway, no, I don't know that much about weapons. But I took a guess that grenade launchers were a bit more complicated than pistols and shotguns. You see, everyday people use pistols and shotguns. Do everyday people use grenade launchers? There's also the fact Claire has to put in different kinds of rounds for the GL.

But hey, maybe I am wrong. If I am, so be it. My bad then.