Remeber, it was Mikami who came up with the Majini/Ganado crap. He's the one to blame for the series shifting away from those elements. Others have simply walked futher down a path he laid out.
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Inafune felt that Capcom was turning game creators into "salarymen" that only worked to serve the shareholders.
He went on to say that Japanese devs are like drones compared to western devs who he described as "far and away more passionate".
Basically, anyone who considers himself an artist has no place in that company. And that's why such big names from the company abandoned it.
Originally posted by Darkmoon View PostRemeber, it was Mikami who came up with the Majini/Ganado crap. He's the one to blame for the series shifting away from those elements. Others have simply walked futher down a path he laid out.
Mikami: "I ended up realizing that the game's enemies needed to be monsters of some description, as close as possible to humans in form, rather than ghosts. Yes, I thought- zombies!!!"Last edited by Pikminister; 02-09-2011, 03:37 PM.Stuff to remember: Avoid forums if you're having a bad day.
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Absoloutely. He is a the vast part of the reason I got many of my favorite games. I'm simply pointing out that, if you dislike how the series has turned, it is also partially because of Mikami. He didn't bail before the Ganados - he was around for them, too. So it's unfair to blame others for them.
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Originally posted by Darkmoon View PostAbsoloutely. He is a the vast part of the reason I got many of my favorite games. I'm simply pointing out that, if you dislike how the series has turned, it is also partially because of Mikami. He didn't bail before the Ganados - he was around for them, too. So it's unfair to blame others for them.
In tems of RE4, you cannot really place all the blame on Mikami. Not when you realize that he wasn't totally in charge of the project. The shareholders were in charge.
And the result of that was that RE4 included elements that catered to western gamers. That's been their strategy since they restructured the company in 2002-2003.
The fact that these same shareholders continue to be in command of the franchise, speaks volumes on the direction the series has taken and why it will include even MORE shooter elements in the future. There is no going back now.
I mean, that's why Inafune was even mentioned here. Because he saw what was going on. He realized that as a game creator he needed to do as the shareholders demanded. And he had to become a "salaryman". And he refused to do that.Stuff to remember: Avoid forums if you're having a bad day.
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Originally posted by BrionIrons View Posttrue im a re fanboy but lets be real.You know it and I know it,RE hasn't been the same since Mikami's departure 6 years ago.even though Inafune hasn't worked on the original titles,I still mentioned Inafune because at E3 last year he looked really interested to bringing back the horror atmosphere in Revelations.But now that he's gone,for god knows what reason,god only knows whats gonna happen to Revelations now.For all I know they are probably editing story that Inafune probably came up with.they are probably gonna shelf the zombie idea like they did with RE5's original story and go with this majini crap (again).
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Originally posted by Darkmoon View PostRemeber, it was Mikami who came up with the Majini/Ganado crap. He's the one to blame for the series shifting away from those elements. Others have simply walked futher down a path he laid out.
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Originally posted by Pikminister View PostNot unfair.
In tems of RE4, you cannot really place all the blame on Mikami. Not when you realize that he wasn't totally in charge of the project. The shareholders were in charge.
And the result of that was that RE4 included elements that catered to western gamers. That's been their strategy since they restructured the company in 2002-2003.
The fact that these same shareholders continue to be in command of the franchise, speaks volumes on the direction the series has taken and why it will include even MORE shooter elements in the future. There is no going back now.
I mean, that's why Inafune was even mentioned here. Because he saw what was going on. He realized that as a game creator he needed to do as the shareholders demanded. And he had to become a "salaryman". And he refused to do that.
Mikami was under preasure to deliver something he thought would sell. That can't be argued with. On the other hand, RE4 is what he finally decided would sell. And he was absoloutely, one hundred percent correct. Neither changes the fact that he choose to go this route, rather than another. At the end of the day, the share holders at Capcom weren't there, ordering parastic infection. It was Mikami's choice. And it many ways the right one. That doesn't mean he's somehow completely guilt free as to the floors in the game, though. If you don't like Ganados and Majini, he deserves some of the blame for them.
Originally posted by Davi Redfield View PostRemember, RE4 had many scrapped versions. The version released is that allowed to.
Again, though, and I'll admit I might be wrong, but I presume it was Mikami who chose to can the other versions of the game. His reason may have been because he felt it wouldn't sell, but so far as I know (and again, I could be wrong) no one ordered him to drop a version because Marketing didn't like it. And if he liked a load of things about, say, 3.5 I can't imagine he couldn't have found a way to keep more elements. If only with the argument, 'It's done now so it'll be more cost effective to use them'.
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Originally posted by Darkmoon View PostWhile he was certainly likely to be influenced by such factors, Mikami still had options. The shareholders weren't standing over his shoulder each day. They weren't constantly hounding him with suggestions for improvements. Share holders demand returns, but they aren't usually actively involved with a company. Hell, a lot of folks who own shares in a company don't know what the company does, exactly. They just know it was a good investment
The big C lives within it's own dimension and get by their own set of rules.
Check it out... After the big hoopla in 2002-2003, Capcom started being more open with the shareholders. That's when they had their financial reports published for everyone to see. And they had to be that way. Just to calm the shareholders the fuck down. Telling them that they needed to stick with the company by showing them their new and improved strategy in almost every detail. Telling them how they would save costs and who they would target and all that jazzy jazz.
Heck, I used to visit their site almost every day of the week. And I remember reading all the rumors floating around about RE4 getting ported to the PS2.
Sites like IGN and others got involved and followed those rumors. And they mentioned that the shareholders DEMANDED that RE4 got ported over to the PS2. Where they expected more profits than on the unpopular GCN. And that was happening before the damn game was even on sale.
Mikami was told about those rumors and he said what he said about cutting off his head. Well guess what happened? Capcom pushed Mikami aside and listened to the shareholders.
Damn shareholders are like the freakin Emperor from Star Wars. Being in control of things from behind the curtain.Stuff to remember: Avoid forums if you're having a bad day.
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In 2004, there was no real good reason to keep RE4 an exclusive. The shareholders made the right decision. Sure, the decision reflected somewhat poorly on Mikami, but he was given the opportunity to make God Hand right after, and since then has only made one game with Platinum: Vanquish.
Biohazard 5 didn't even involve Mikami, and development for that game began even before his departure.
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Originally posted by Pikminister View PostDamn shareholders are like the freakin Emperor from Star Wars. Being in control of things from behind the curtain."One can only match, move by move, the machinations of fate... and thus defy the tyrannous stars."
Resident Evil/Castlevania/ Silent Hill/Onimusha/Tekken /Dark Souls
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Originally posted by Prime Blue View PostNow you're just stretching. Inafune never conceived any gameplay concept or story for the RE series. You're just spouting out random names and looking for scapegoats.Last edited by Rombie; 02-09-2011, 10:36 PM.
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For me, it's not the fact that the game I bought got ported to another system. It's that the port in question contains extra material meaning you'd either settle for the copy you paid as much (or more) for.... Or you would have to re-buy.
Imagine this. You're a kid hooked on the series. The company has you by the balls. Releasing Code Veronica on dreamcast means you need to buy a dreamcast just for it. Then it comes out on ps2 with extra cutscenes. Fuck.
Next you hear the series is moving to the gamecube. You get a gamecube and do what you can to collect each release and port in the series. You are stoked for REmake because the trailers looked epic and you've been waiting for Zero since it was announced back on the N64. Finally you have Resident Evil 4 to look forward to. Now it's underway and announced as a Gamecube exclusive like Zero and REmake. You believe this because back in the day an "only for" logo wasn't something to take lightly. It meant something.....like trust for one. So you're a kid and you do everything you can to save up for a pre-order. Mowing lawns, cleaning gutters, taking out the trash, making deliveries, etc. Now you have the money. You buy RE4 and not even a week goes by before hearing that not only is there a PS2 port, but it will have new cutscenes AND new gameplay. Double Fuck!
It's easy for me to blame Capcom for this clever yet douchbaggery of a sales tactic but lots of companies did this. Even Konami with my treasured MGS series did this. FUCK TO THE EXTREME!!!
These days you have DLC and the like to atone for this. But even Capcom deals their slippery ways when they can. Case in point is Versus mode for RE5 and having Gold Edition as the only source to try out playstation move. As a company they must do what they must. As a fan who had the knife pushed in his back far too many times I must do what I must.
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Originally posted by Pikminister View PostWell again, in the wonderful world of Resident Evil, things don't always work as they do "normally" in real life.
The big C lives within it's own dimension and get by their own set of rules.
Check it out... After the big hoopla in 2002-2003, Capcom started being more open with the shareholders. That's when they had their financial reports published for everyone to see. And they had to be that way. Just to calm the shareholders the fuck down. Telling them that they needed to stick with the company by showing them their new and improved strategy in almost every detail. Telling them how they would save costs and who they would target and all that jazzy jazz.
Heck, I used to visit their site almost every day of the week. And I remember reading all the rumors floating around about RE4 getting ported to the PS2.
Sites like IGN and others got involved and followed those rumors. And they mentioned that the shareholders DEMANDED that RE4 got ported over to the PS2. Where they expected more profits than on the unpopular GCN. And that was happening before the damn game was even on sale.
Mikami was told about those rumors and he said what he said about cutting off his head. Well guess what happened? Capcom pushed Mikami aside and listened to the shareholders.
Damn shareholders are like the freakin Emperor from Star Wars. Being in control of things from behind the curtain.
Let's face it here, when Mikami was told his promise to not port to the PS2 had been broken, he got up and walked away. What do you think the dude would be doing if every day the shareholders were showing up with, 'And now you should do this, peon.' He'd have gotten up and walked away.
What the shareholders got access to was the financial information. It didn't have little notes like, 'Shinji Mikami has decided to go with a hallucigenic virus during Resident Evil 4.' They most likely don't know anything more about RE than we do about the developing of the game, and care less. The bulk of the shareholders are probably people who've never touched a game controller.
The only possible way they could have gotten involved in the process of actual development, beyond simply existing as a source of preasure that needs to be appeased, is if another Capcom type got in there ear whispering that he thought this was a bad idea, or that would cost sales and money.
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Originally posted by Prime Blue View PostNow you're just stretching. Inafune never conceived any gameplay concept or story for the RE series. You're just spouting out random names and looking for scapegoats.
but anyway most likely the reason why he decided to leave capcom on dec,13,2010 is most likely capcom didn't to go back to Survival Horror and he did.So he took off.honostly i wouldn't
blame him if that was the reason.
Originally posted by Darkmoon View PostOh yes. The shareholders are a big part of why that happened. But there is a big difference between, 'Hey, if we make it for that PS2 system won't we make even more money?' and 'Although I know next to nothing about video games beyond playing them, I've convinced the other shareholders I know better than your producers and directors. We want rid of this stuff with zombies, and have decided parasite infected Spanish peasants are the way of the future. It should also involve kidnapping the president's daughter, and a cult!'
Let's face it here, when Mikami was told his promise to not port to the PS2 had been broken, he got up and walked away. What do you think the dude would be doing if every day the shareholders were showing up with, 'And now you should do this, peon.' He'd have gotten up and walked away.
What the shareholders got access to was the financial information. It didn't have little notes like, 'Shinji Mikami has decided to go with a hallucigenic virus during Resident Evil 4.' They most likely don't know anything more about RE than we do about the developing of the game, and care less. The bulk of the shareholders are probably people who've never touched a game controller.
The only possible way they could have gotten involved in the process of actual development, beyond simply existing as a source of preasure that needs to be appeased, is if another Capcom type got in there ear whispering that he thought this was a bad idea, or that would cost sales and money.Last edited by BrionIrons; 02-10-2011, 11:28 AM.sigpic
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