EA Wants Dead Space To Be The New Resident Evil

[Darkmoon]

i don't see what the big deal is.Its a VIDEO GAME.people need to stop taking things so seriously.If I recall the original silent hill for the Playstation had mutated zombie or demon(whatever they are) children with blades as hands.13 years later havent heard any complaints (to my knowledge) about that.

It was also never very clear what the hell they are. Are they Alessa's demented nightmares, her brains imaginings of what the kids at her school were since we know at least some of the bosses seem to be things she knew about or cared about? Real kids? Demons? Hell, apart from being short and in the school it's difficult to even say if they're kids. And yes, I have the American version of SH1, so it's not censored.

On the other hand, we have this;



Not really much to argue about over that. It's a baby. Notice the hospital tag, suggesting a new born? I have all three of those from my kids. Nice, creepy little detail. For me, that's going over the top in terms of nightmare fuel. It's a personal thing for me.

If there were children zombies, it would have added another layer. Hell, look at the reaction to the Dead Island trailer - the majority of the reaction was at the fact of the girl, a child becoming a zombie in front of her own parents.

The Dead Island trailer is one of the handfull of cases of children in horror I like. As far as I can see, it's a one off...but it's a heart tucking moment of pure emotion that you could not get another way. The moment the daughter and father look at each other right after she's been bitten is utterly heartbreaking. It's why I have such high hopes for the game...someone either got incredibly lucky or knows a lot about how to affect people.

[Xander Ashford]

I do agree that DS does have less plot holes than RE. But then again, what franchise out there doesn't? Even Tetris makes more sense.

I think the reason Dead Space has less plot holes is namely because it is a newer series and hasn't set itself up for plot holes. The reason we have so many contradictions in Resident Evil is because we get different reasons and stories throughout the series.

Example:
Alfred Ashford's Death

Resident Evil CODE: Veronica: Alfred is shot by Steve, dies in front of Alexia.

Resident Evil: Darkside Chronicles: Alfred is murdered by Alexia for being incompetent.

How did Alfred actually die? (I know most people consider CODE: Veronica to be the canon when compared to Darkside Chronicles, but I'm sure you get my point). As a series grows, the plot holes become more noticeable. Give Dead Space time, and I'm sure it will have just as many as Resident Evil.

Dead Space's plot interests me enough to keep me playing, but those paticular enemies make me feel uncomfortable. I am a father of three small children, which is where a lot of my discomfort comes from. With my very active imagination, and the games relatively high realism factor (yes, I know, there are plenty of things that aren't perfectly realistic...) it's far too easy to see my own kids there.

But I also tend to dislike using kids in horror without a very good reason. I understand why they have in Dead Space, and partially agree with it. I simply feel it's too much, too often. Children should never just be another enemy in video games, but they get to that point in Dead Space 1 and I suspect it'll be even worse in 2, since there are two more child based enemies.

Yeah, I knew you had the childrens and figured that was where a lot of the discomfort stemmed from. I guess my point was that I'm somewhat proud of Visceral for continuing to push the envelope with their games and touching on things that are considered taboo. Horror seldomly ever touches on children (especially children's murders)...And even women for that matter (I mean in games...Obviously every horror movie isn't complete without the busty teenager running upstairs, making grunting noises as she feebly throws a lamp at the killer). It's just a nice refresh to see something other than male zombies/monsters.

And especially in a floating city like the Sprawl, I expect to see some women and children. I don't think a whole city would function with just male inhabitants.

Again, I understand where you're coming from.

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[Darkmoon]

I completely agree. They should be included, in some fashion. I'm just not sure having them be just another enemy is the best way to go, in the case of kids. I hadn't really noticed ladies getting much different treatment, especially in newer zombie games, but equally rights = equal chance of being eaten by the undead. It is the most logical and realistic way to include them in the game, no doubt. Necromophs aren't gonna care where the flesh comes from.

It's purely a case, for me, of where do you stop before common sense and decency mean you have to just go 'no, too far thanks.' For me, this is hitting that limit, but it's a personal thing. And I know for a fact some Japanese games push things futher and nastier than this in certain ways (RapeLay, for example, is apparently essentially a rape simulator game and does include a mother, her teenage daughter and her younger daughter...yeah) which automatically make me just go, 'No. Hell no. What the hell? No.'

[Det. Beauregard]

(RapeLay, for example, is apparently essentially a rape simulator game and does include a mother, her teenage daughter and her younger daughter...yeah) which automatically make me just go, 'No. Hell no. What the hell? No.'

Wow. That is completely messed up.

[Dracarys]

The Dead Island trailer is one of the handfull of cases of children in horror I like. As far as I can see, it's a one off...but it's a heart tucking moment of pure emotion that you could not get another way. The moment the daughter and father look at each other right after she's been bitten is utterly heartbreaking. It's why I have such high hopes for the game...someone either got incredibly lucky or knows a lot about how to affect people.

Devs confirmed no children in the actual game, was for the trailer only.

[BrionIrons]

Darkmoon;176506]It was also never very clear what the hell they are. Are they Alessa's demented nightmares, her brains imaginings of what the kids at her school were since we know at least some of the bosses seem to be things she knew about or cared about? Real kids? Demons? Hell, apart from being short and in the school it's difficult to even say if they're kids. And yes, I have the American version of SH1, so it's not censored.

On the other hand, we have this;



Not really much to argue about over that. It's a baby. Notice the hospital tag, suggesting a new born? I have all three of those from my kids. Nice, creepy little detail. For me, that's going over the top in terms of nightmare fuel. It's a personal thing for me.

It doesn't bother me one bit.Its a zombie.Its a Video Game.Thus ITS NOT REAL.LOL

Zombies shouldn't be segregated to just adults.Hell the 2004 remake of Dawn of the Dead had children zombies and hell even a New born Baby zombie.No one complained about it.why,because its a movie.

[rehunk88]

As much as l i love dead space it will never be the new resident evil .. i mean dead space is great scary and all but its not resident evil and never will be.

[CrimsonElder]

As much as l i love dead space it will never be the new resident evil .. i mean dead space is great scary and all but its not resident evil and never will be.

I love Dead Space I think its a epic series but no way is it as good as RE. Compare Dead Space to RE 1 and Remake and then Dead Space 2 to RE2. They are different kinds of games. I find RE is a much more slower paced scare as it builds up to the horror. Dead Space just throws you in the deep end and constantly tries to make you jump. RE has been going for 15 years nearly and and Dead Space has been going bout 3-4. Cmon I love Dead Space but I find it abit insulting that they think they can compare themselves already. Lost abit of respect for them after reading that. Besides Dead Space 2 wasnt all that. The ending was pretty dull and the boss fight was shite.

[Darkmoon]

Wow. That is completely messed up.

Yeah, there are some games that should never seen the light of day. That's one of them.

It doesn't bother me one bit.Its a zombie.Its a Video Game.Thus ITS NOT REAL.LOL

Zombies shouldn't be segregated to just adults.Hell the 2004 remake of Dawn of the Dead had children zombies and hell even a New born Baby zombie.No one complained about it.why,because its a movie.

Well, I wasn't fond of it, for the same reasons. I admit, I'm unclear as to why the fact I find the idea of a child's corpse being reanimated and used as a sucide bomber bugs you so much. I'm not saying the game should banned or changed. I'm saying, for me, that's a step way too close to the border of what I can deal with. The only way I'm likely to freak out is if there's a scene in Dead Space 2 where a bunch of kids are converted to Necromorphs and we get the screaming joy of watching them all die horribly.

That being said, there are things which movies can do that games can't. There are, for example, movies which feature rape. As I mentioned, there is a game by the name of RapeLay where you get to do the rape, including a young girl. Television and video games are two very different medias due to the control a person has in video games, whether we like it or not, and somethings are going to be more difficult to do in a game with good taste. In the same way as it was acceptable to read about, say, sex a long time before it was acceptable to see it on a TV screen. Different media, different level of impact.

Remember - just because it doesn't bother you doesn't mean everyone else should be OK with it. It's fine that you're perfectly comfortable with it, but it's equally fine that someone like me, with a very powerful imagination and three kids, isn't at all comfortable with it. We all have things we don't like, after all.

As much as l i love dead space it will never be the new resident evil .. i mean dead space is great scary and all but its not resident evil and never will be.

I think the idea behind the statement was more emulating the success of Resident Evil, which has gone from a low budget fringe title to Capcom's biggest cash cow. And who can blame them for that? It may also mean supplanting them in terms of top of the horror games...which, honestly, I suspect they've already done, at least compared to more recent RE games.

I love Dead Space I think its a epic series but no way is it as good as RE. Compare Dead Space to RE 1 and Remake and then Dead Space 2 to RE2. They are different kinds of games. I find RE is a much more slower paced scare as it builds up to the horror. Dead Space just throws you in the deep end and constantly tries to make you jump. RE has been going for 15 years nearly and and Dead Space has been going bout 3-4. Cmon I love Dead Space but I find it abit insulting that they think they can compare themselves already. Lost abit of respect for them after reading that. Besides Dead Space 2 wasnt all that. The ending was pretty dull and the boss fight was shite.

Mmm, depends on how you look at it. They're saying they wanna be the new Resi Evil, not that they already are. I think they can achieve it.

[BrionIrons]

i don't think they can achieve the resident evil grail.I mean Dead space looks cool.but I don't think they can pull it off.not yet anyways.They got a long ways to go.

[DarkMemories]

On the subject of DS having a better plot than RE...really? On what planet? RE is full of plot holes, sure, but I can at least follow it on a game-to-game basis with little trouble. Dead Space, on the other hand, requires you to pay attention to the most minute details before it even begins to make sense. Hell, I wouldn't have even known the marker was a man-made thing until someone on a forum mentioned it. That's how little is made clear in-game.

As for it taking up the mantle of Survival Horror King: DS2 is certainly scarier than RE5, but that's like saying Luigi's Mansion is scarier than Super Paper Mario. It's not exactly a contest.

[Det. Beauregard]

Television and video games are two very different medias due to the control a person has in video games, whether we like it or not, and somethings are going to be more difficult to do in a game with good taste. In the same way as it was acceptable to read about, say, sex a long time before it was acceptable to see it on a TV screen. Different media, different level of impact.

Well said.

[BrionIrons]

well said indeed.but i believe that games can do the samething movies can.its basically the same thing.entertainment is entertainment regardless.

but i know what you mean about the baby zombie thing.some people take it the wrong way.but come on kid zombies ain't that bad.dead island is taking a crack at it.Looks darn good.im really interested to seeing how that game goes.

[Darkmoon]

On the subject of DS having a better plot than RE...really? On what planet? RE is full of plot holes, sure, but I can at least follow it on a game-to-game basis with little trouble. Dead Space, on the other hand, requires you to pay attention to the most minute details before it even begins to make sense. Hell, I wouldn't have even known the marker was a man-made thing until someone on a forum mentioned it. That's how little is made clear in-game.

I actually like things like this, but so far I haven't had any issue with following Dead Space's plot. Which may be because I love huge, conmplex storylines...but the man made Marker does get mentioned in DS1, I think. By the traitor.

As for it taking up the mantle of Survival Horror King: DS2 is certainly scarier than RE5, but that's like saying Luigi's Mansion is scarier than Super Paper Mario. It's not exactly a contest.

It's always a contest. Always! If you aren't first, it means you have lost.

On a more serious note...I play both series for the scares. For me, personally, it's what they're all about. I'm not fond of action. Dead Space is scarier to me than Resident Evil. Hence why I bought Dead Space, Dead Space Extraction and Dead Space 2 new...and won't be getting the next RE games until they're well priced second hand. I was very dissapointed by the lastest offerings.

well said indeed.but i believe that games can do the samething movies can.its basically the same thing.entertainment is entertainment regardless.

Mmm, not quite. There are certain things a game will do better than a movie, and vice versa. A lot of game plots would make terrible movies, as we see time and time again, but a film doesn't always translate to a good game.

Plus, there are simply some things that have more impact when you're behind the deed. For example, which has the most emotional impact...when Arnie takes out the big bad, or when you finish him off after a half hour of intense, hard fought action? Shooting undead kids in the face is another of those, albeit more melencholy. At least, it should be.

but i know what you mean about the baby zombie thing.some people take it the wrong way.but come on kid zombies ain't that bad.dead island is taking a crack at it.Looks darn good.im really interested to seeing how that game goes.

Dead Island won't have any kids in the game, apparently. I guess it was a mostly adult resort? But yes, that was an excellent use of a child in horror. Emotionally devestating (to me) but not something that becomes common.

[Det. Beauregard]

On the subject of DS having a better plot than RE...really? On what planet? RE is full of plot holes, sure, but I can at least follow it on a game-to-game basis with little trouble. Dead Space, on the other hand, requires you to pay attention to the most minute details before it even begins to make sense. Hell, I wouldn't have even known the marker was a man-made thing until someone on a forum mentioned it. That's how little is made clear in-game.

As much as I prefer RE to Dead Space, the latter's plot is far more well thought out than the former's. I don't know DS's story as well as I do RE's, but I don't remember any plot holes whatsoever in the DS games. Also, the Ishimura and the Sprawl had bathrooms. However, the major thing that keeps me from liking DS as much as RE is the environments, which I find to be bland and mostly repetitive. I'm also not a huge fan of space-based stuff; I prefer a more terrestrial approach. Give me Raccoon City any day over anything from DS.

That's not to say that DS's plot is better, though (which is obviously subjective). Like the RE games, the DS games are a big series of fetch quests, but lack the interesting characters and locations that are featured in the RE series. To me you just can't compare someone like Isaac Clarke to Leon, Jill, Claire, Chris, etc. Well, maybe Chris. Isaac does have the personality of a brick...