Resident Evil: Operation Raccoon City

[Dracarys]

[QUOTE=News Bot;205188]
CAPCOM decide the canon[quote]

This would have been right if you stopped there but then you went and added...

and make it clear what it is through the series and its supplemental material

Oh the hypocrisy and ignorance of that quote. You just assume supplementary material is taken as fully canon, despite plenty of it over the years obviously not matching with games or later games or even one piece of material with another. You'll no doubt blame translation since is the only excuse ever use but even japanese supplementary material and japanese versions of games have the same issue. You have no say how strictly Capcom sticks to supplementary materials when it comes to canon.

If they remade RE2 as they did REmake and called it RE2, with Wolfpack added to the storyline nobody would say shit all about it, same as they didn't with REmake when that did it. ORC is doing the exact same thing a RE2 remake would do, only it focuses on the Wolfpack POV. Capcom have signed off on it, this is the canon now, so it contradicts nothing, what you thought before over assumptions, all non-canon now (if ever) just like original RE1.

That statement of what is canon now is not my opinion like you try and lable it, is the reality of the situation, Capcom says it is canon, it is canon. End of. Unless you wanna now try and go against you own statement that Capcom decides, not that you didn't already.

The issue here is that you are very persistent in thinking you have a shred of authority over the series storyline.

Yep, because "Capcom says it is canon so it is" is for sure MY authority over the storyline. You are full of crap with your attempts to attack me, and I'm stupid for wasting my time replying to you. I won't do it again.

[News Bot]

Uh, no.

(which is written, edited and supervised by the development team directly in almost all cases, so ignoring them is equivalent to ignoring the games)

The only person displaying an ounce of ignorance is yourself.

despite plenty of it over the years obviously not matching with games or later games or even one piece of material with another

Oh look, no examples or sources to back up your claims. Surprising.

You'll no doubt blame translation since is the only excuse ever use but even japanese supplementary material and japanese versions of games have the same issue. You have no say how strictly Capcom sticks to supplementary materials when it comes to canon.

Oh look, no examples or sources to back up your claims. Surprising. And if translation is the cause of an issue, then translation will be blamed. Trying to make it sound as if it is a cop-out is just a really sad argument on your part.

If they remade RE2 as they did REmake and called it RE2, with Wolfpack added to the storyline nobody would say shit all about it, same as they didn't with REmake when that did it. ORC is doing the exact same thing a RE2 remake would do, only it focuses on the Wolfpack POV. Capcom have signed off on it, this is the canon now, so it contradicts nothing, what you thought before over assumptions, all non-canon now (if ever) just like original RE1.

Sure, because it would be a remake and would replace the original. Operation Raccoon City is not a remake. It's not the same thing no matter how much you want to blabber about it. CAPCOM have not "signed off" on it, they have not said it is canon nor have they acknowledged any of its "additions". They have approved the game. You know what else they've approved? The S.D. Perry novels. Paul W.S. Anderson movies. Osamu Makino novels. Wildstorm comics. Drama albums. Gaiden. And so on. Are they canon? We don't have a clue what CAPCOM themselves are thinking about the storyline.

Capcom says it is canon, it is canon.

Where? Once again, no sources or evidence. Seriously, this is what I mean by throwing your weight around. You try and sound like you speak of nothing but fact but you never provide them.

Yep, because "Capcom says it is canon so it is" is for sure MY authority over the storyline. You are full of crap with your attempts to attack me, and I'm stupid for wasting my time replying to you. I won't do it again.

They haven't said it is canon. So far this is only your assumption which has no evidence to support it. If you're wasting your time replying to me, stop fucking replying. You say this all the time and never follow up on it. Nobody is going to miss your amazing contributions or your know-it-all assumptions and pompous attitude.


http://www.projectumbrella.net/artic...-Pursuer-Notes - Oh look.

[Darkmoon]

As I understand it, Capcom haven't said it's canon - they've even said it's non-canon or partially canon on occasion, if I remember right. It's Slant Six who keep saying no, it's totally canon. Does anyone have an interview where someone from Capcom agrees it's canon?

I've got to disagree, though, that just because a game is newer means it totally over-writes the old game. By that logic, Wesker and Chris never met during the event of CODE: Veronica because Darkside is newer than CODE: Veronica itself. Especially with a game like this, which is essentially a third party cash in title. I may be wrong, of course, but I don't think any of the titles not directly developed by Capcom has actually been considered canon yet, have they? Gaiden might have been...at one point, but certainly isn't anymore. Equally, all those mobile games and such aren't canon (which is a bit of a shame, in a couple of cases).

[Mr. Spencer]

Sounds like you're talking about News Bot and TheBatMan right there.

[Darkmoon]

Oh, hey, let's veer off into some personal territory to prove how right we are.

Keep the personal crap off the forums, people.

[TheBatMan]

Sounds like you're talking about News Bot and TheBatMan right there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tg78A54wso

[News Bot]

http://i.imgur.com/4cJcQ.jpg

You are actually one of the people that caused me to get even more interested in this stuff thanks to some of your discoveries. You're also the one that caused me to take the "Japanese source takes precedence" stand. But you're also usually the one who often sometimes contributes nothing but disparaging remarks, despite you doing the exact same shit.

P.S. Do you have an ETA for an update to your "Writers of BIOHAZARD" with the rest of the supplemental books listed? It was a nice resource.

[Mr. Spencer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tg78A54wso

Shut it, goal post head!

[Smiley]

As I understand it, Capcom haven't said it's canon - they've even said it's non-canon or partially canon on occasion, if I remember right. It's Slant Six who keep saying no, it's totally canon. Does anyone have an interview where someone from Capcom agrees it's canon?

I've got to disagree, though, that just because a game is newer means it totally over-writes the old game. By that logic, Wesker and Chris never met during the event of CODE: Veronica because Darkside is newer than CODE: Veronica itself. Especially with a game like this, which is essentially a third party cash in title. I may be wrong, of course, but I don't think any of the titles not directly developed by Capcom has actually been considered canon yet, have they? Gaiden might have been...at one point, but certainly isn't anymore. Equally, all those mobile games and such aren't canon (which is a bit of a shame, in a couple of cases).

Keep in mind that it really doesn't matter if your core group develops or not. Hideo Kojima and his team can keep coming back to Metal Gear, but that still wouldn't stop the series from having it's share of issues with the canon. The truth is a long running series is always going to be prone to changes regardless if a new team comes in or not. The Chronicles games are proof enough of that. Fans choose whether they want to take pieces of the game as canon or not, but to someone who's new to the series they may actually find all they need to know out of playing those games and moving to RE4 and RE5.

[[STARS]TyranT]

I've been off this thread for a week or so.

My timeline is rusty these days, so can someone just point me to the actual timeline, what date was HUNK's team original attack, and what date does his rendezvous with Wolfpack occur here?! These mindless changes to the established canon irk me no end.

[News Bot]

I've been off this thread for a week or so.

My timeline is rusty these days, so can someone just point me to the actual timeline, what date was HUNK's team original attack, and what date does his rendezvous with Wolfpack occur here?! These mindless changes to the established canon irk me no end.

Actual Date: September 23
ORC Date: September 20

[Dracarys]

As I understand it, Capcom haven't said it's canon - they've even said it's non-canon or partially canon on occasion, if I remember right. It's Slant Six who keep saying no, it's totally canon. Does anyone have an interview where someone from Capcom agrees it's canon?

I've got to disagree, though, that just because a game is newer means it totally over-writes the old game. By that logic, Wesker and Chris never met during the event of CODE: Veronica because Darkside is newer than CODE: Veronica itself. Especially with a game like this, which is essentially a third party cash in title. I may be wrong, of course, but I don't think any of the titles not directly developed by Capcom has actually been considered canon yet, have they? Gaiden might have been...at one point, but certainly isn't anymore. Equally, all those mobile games and such aren't canon (which is a bit of a shame, in a couple of cases).

I take statments like this http://www.1up.com/news/resident-evi...pager.offset=1

"Capcom was extremely nitpicky and detail-oriented about the scenario, and making sure that the game could seamlessly fit into the canon and into the timeline of RE 2 and 3," says Jones.

...as pretty solid. He isn't just saying Capcom gave it the OK, but that Capcom seem pretty bothered by fitting it in, even being nitpicky about details.

[News Bot]

I take statments like this http://www.1up.com/news/resident-evi...pager.offset=1

...as pretty solid. He isn't just saying Capcom gave it the OK, but that Capcom seem pretty bothered by fitting it in, even being nitpicky about details.

CAPCOM do this for every story they approve (canon or otherwise). ORC is not special, nor does it matter very much since we don't know who in CAPCOM. Right now all we have is Slant Six's word, which doesn't mean much right now since they are contradictory, clearly mistaken and have said three completely different things regarding the storyline.

Here is your argument:

"Slant Six say they have not changed anything and that it fits into the canon. So it's canon."

When I point out that Slant Six have changed a lot, you say:

"Operation Raccoon City replaces all the older games and no supplemental material actually matters."

When I point out how that's not the case, you say:

"YOU JUST GOT OWNED LOL I'M AN IDIOT FOR REPLYING SO I'M GONNA STOP NOW BYE"





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[Mr. Spencer]

I can't believe that's actually you on Capcom Unity, I'm really surprised you would have a weeaboo avatar. I'm disappointed, KylieDog. I saw you as this mature and respectable person, albeit one with strong opinions. But seeing that avatar has lowered everything. You are no longer Lupo of the Wolfpack.

[TheBatMan]

I take statments like this http://www.1up.com/news/resident-evi...pager.offset=1



...as pretty solid. He isn't just saying Capcom gave it the OK, but that Capcom seem pretty bothered by fitting it in, even being nitpicky about details.

You take your details from American Capcom reps like Chris Kramer who stated Barry died at the end of RE1, then? This guy didn't even know there was supposed to be no playable demo.

And Capcom Japan signed off on the story? Not those unreliable fellows that co-write all those info-filled Japanese guidebooks that of course should never ever be accepted as canon under any circumstances? Looks like we are in trouble then if those bastards approved things.

All we need now is for one of the Wolfpack's character ages to be wrong and then things will kick off. The Raccoon City incident has been retconned and is now set in September 1997!