Wesker's Report - Canonicity Debate (or the Official "WTF Hiroki Kato!?" Thread)

[Archelon]

I'd say the idea of Wesker being in Raccoon City and physically rescuing Ada from the lab minutes before it exploded is much more implausible given the time constraints.

You could say the same thing about his escape from the mansion. The self destruct countdown just seemed to conveniently stop (seriously, it was like the last five minutes before Namek blew up) while Wesker was making his way through the lab and mansion.

It's much the same with Ada's retrieval of the tissue fragment from Birkin's corpse and escape from the lab. And she doesn't have Wesker's super speed as a copout.

[DarkMemories]

I like to think that, contrary to what UC shows, Wesker does the logical thing and simply jumps over the railing by the fountain and heads to the forest (which gives a somewhat wider berth between him and the facility). It never made sense that he'd backtrack through the entire mansion instead of taking a shortcut (what with his newfound powers and all).

[TheBatMan]

I agree none of the self-destruct mechanisms seem to be accurate when it comes to five minute countdowns, Code Veronica probably being the worst example, but I still think Wesker escaping from the mansion is more realistic than him physically finding his way down to the lab in RE2 and helping her escape.

I like to think that, contrary to what UC shows, Wesker does the logical thing and simply jumps over the railing by the fountain and heads to the forest (which gives a somewhat wider berth between him and the facility). It never made sense that he'd backtrack through the entire mansion instead of taking a shortcut (what with his newfound powers and all).

Agreed. Not to mention the fact that Lisa Trevor somehow hauls her way out of that deep chasm. I think we all could have done without the Beginnings and Rebirth scenarios of UC. They just seemed to be forced in there to serve no other purpose than to satisfy fan boy pleas to play as Wesker is the mansion.

Just to go back on topic, there may be another possible version of Wesker's Report. The transcript in Archives 2 makes reference to Spencer which I don't believe is in any version thus far. I'll double check tomorrow.

[News Bot]

Just to go back on topic, there may be another possible version of Wesker's Report. The transcript in Archives 2 makes reference to Spencer which I don't believe is in any version thus far. I'll double check tomorrow.

Definitely interesting. We need to have a closer look. We don't have a full accurate translation of WR yet so it might as well be the Archives II version. The translation which Welsh did a long time ago was based on the subtitles of the 10th Anniversary Edition. However, I think the subtitles are based on a translation of Waugh's lines rather than the original script itself. That might be why Spencer appears in the script rather than the English lines and subtitles.

[TheBatMan]

Well I can confirm that Wesker's Report has been slightly amended for inclusion in Archives 2.

Th opening is extended with Wesker mentioning how Spencer and Birkin signed a secret pact regarding the betrayal of Dr. Marcus and how Birkin is now at the core of Umbrella's scientists in charge of further research and development of the G Virus.

Wesker also mentions that he feels Spencer may underestimate his abilities.

Ada's undercover work discovers that a researcher is nearing completeness of the G-Virus but is refusing to give it to Umbrella. Wesker interprets this to be Birkin.

The rest of the report remains the same, although it says Hunk picked up the sample from Sherry's pendant after Leon had tossed it away?

It also reinstates the last line about Sherry being in Wesker's hands.

[Archelon]

Well I can confirm that Wesker's Report has been slightly amended for inclusion in Archives 2.

Th opening is extended with Wesker mentioning how Spencer and Birkin signed a secret pact regarding the betrayal of Dr. Marcus and how Birkin is now at the core of Umbrella's scientists in charge of further research and development of the G Virus.

Wesker also mentions that he feels Spencer may underestimate his abilities.

Ada's undercover work discovers that a researcher is nearing completeness of the G-Virus but is refusing to give it to Umbrella. Wesker interprets this to be Birkin.

The rest of the report remains the same, although it says Hunk picked up the sample from Sherry's pendant after Leon had tossed it away?

It also reinstates the last line about Sherry being in Wesker's hands.

What the hell, Capcom?

Seriously. What. The. Hell?

[Darkmoon]

I guess they can't make up there mind about what they want to with some stuff, so they're...uhhh...pissing about, really. Keeping all possibilities open?

[Vito]

Im lost.. what exactly is wrong here?

[Smiley]

To be honest I stopped caring about the canon storyline around the time Umbrella Chronicles came out. And no matter how hard you try you will still find flaws and inconsistencies in trying to piece things together. Like that argument a while back we had over Jill's age.

From the sound of things Capcom's canon only sticks as long as it's convenient to their next product.

Wasn't Leon part of an anti-umbrella group in Gaiden? If not what was his and Barry's affiliation?

By the time RE4 rolled around it was clear that the series was branching off and disconnecting itself from the previous ties. It seemed that RE4's long haul came to that conclusion since I remember during the days of 'Capcom 5' that Leon originally was going to go to the infamous Umbrella Europe HQ. Now that's scrapped in favor of a ludicrous plot involving Leon on a solo mission to save the President's daughter from a parasite infested cult. Sure they make nods to Wesker and Umbrella, but the whole focus of Leon shifted right then and there. And Capcom has cleverly weaved their new shlock into the previous canon. Darkside Chronicles takes that passage from RE3's epilogue and treats Leon as though he was immediately recruited by the US Government. Sherry is in their hands now and we can forget about Wesker having her. Or not. Who cares? Until Sherry comes back in another game I sure won't.

The easy solution would have been for Capcom to conclude their missing elements before closing off on Wesker's Last Stand. You would think Sherry, Steve and Ada might be priorities since they tie directly with Wesker in some way, but no.. Capcom's interest was in the Chris vs. Wesker bits.

And despite what some would say I don't think this series needs to tie in all these characters together. Gaiden doesn't need Leon and Barry of all people to meet. I doubt HUNK is such a strong character that he needed a place in Revelations alongside Chris and Jill. And I was never on the bandwagon for Sherry being in RE5 instead of Jill because Chris was the main character.

[Darkmoon]

Im lost.. what exactly is wrong here?

I believe there are now three different version of Wesker's Report kicking around. The major thing being the first had a line about Sherry being in Wesker's possession, the second cut it, and the third has brought it back. Essentially making it look like Capcom can't make there mind up if they're ever going to do a Sherry plot.

[Mr. Spencer]

From the sound of things Capcom's canon only sticks as long as it's convenient to their next product.

This is truth right here.

[Fruit Salad]

Did Capcom ever confirm whether UC & DC were canon or not?

[Inferno04]

I believe there are now three different version of Wesker's Report kicking around. The major thing being the first had a line about Sherry being in Wesker's possession, the second cut it, and the third has brought it back. Essentially making it look like Capcom can't make there mind up if they're ever going to do a Sherry plot.

Of all the plots to flip-flop on...>< Why one of the most potentially interesting? Ugh. They've really dug their own grave with this, huh?

[Vito]

Did Capcom ever confirm whether UC & DC were canon or not?

Only the new stuff is canon, the chapters form the other main games are not.

[News Bot]

Of all the plots to flip-flop on...>< Why one of the most potentially interesting? Ugh. They've really dug their own grave with this, huh?

No they haven't.

Sherry is now under the custody of the U.S. government, but among the personnel in the department, many of them are spies working for Albert Wesker. So in fact Sherry is now in a terrible position of double jeopardy.

There's nothing wrong with the line about Sherry and for all we know the exclusion of that line from the 10th Anniversary edition was probably a simple mistake. It's more "in his grasp" than "in his hands".