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  • GS has great backstory, that really had the potential for something bigger: the whole concentration camp run by Umbrella, kidnapping teenagers all over the world and how Sheena Island's inhabitants viewed them, the prisoners' great escape and Vincent's madness - this is a great material for some serious and mature story in RE universe.
    However, the main story with Ark doing an investigation by posing as Vincent was ridiculous. The laughably low budget didn't help either.

    I don't remember anything special about Heroes Never Dies story though. It seems Capcom wanted to do something interesting with Morpheus DuVall and Umbrella's history (what with him taking the blame for Arkley incident), but nothing came out of it :/.
    Last edited by Mr_Zombie; 08-11-2011, 08:39 AM.

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    • Originally posted by News Bot View Post
      GS and GS4 are actually some of the better stories in the series, it's a shame they got stuck with a low budget.
      I think they are horrible abominations that should have never been brought to paper. Survivor has a great setting with a story that is still bearable within Resident Evil levels of stupid, but Dead Aim is just flat-out retarded.

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      • Originally posted by News Bot View Post
        GS and GS4 are actually some of the better stories in the series, it's a shame they got stuck with a low budget.
        I agree about Survivor, I really liked the Sheena Island atmosphere and most of the characters. Also, the tyrant was awesome. I'd love to see that game remade, but alas, no love for Ark Thompson lol.
        Last edited by REmaster; 08-11-2011, 12:01 PM.
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        • Originally posted by Prime Blue View Post
          I think they are horrible abominations that should have never been brought to paper. Survivor has a great setting with a story that is still bearable within Resident Evil levels of stupid, but Dead Aim is just flat-out retarded.
          You didn't like the tranny Tyrant?

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          • Im still blown away how the T+G Virus turn Morpheus into a Female Tryant 0_o

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            • Originally posted by Vito View Post
              Im still blown away how the T+G Virus turn Morpheus into a Female Tryant 0_o
              Jesus christ it didn't. He already had a partial sex change prior to the events of the game, it's implied in the scenario draft because his body is dis-proportioned. It's the reason he wore the long black overcoat (which was totally baller).

              (fuck knows about those mutated heels though, but Sergei could talk clearly as a monster without a mouth so... fuck it)

              I think they are horrible abominations that should have never been brought to paper. Survivor has a great setting with a story that is still bearable within Resident Evil levels of stupid, but Dead Aim is just flat-out retarded.
              GUN SURVIVOR was great and has a pretty competent story, I don't see why you find it stupid (except the amnesia, fuck that). Heroes Never Die suffers from bad exposition and poor planning. Nothing is really explained in the game. The scenario draft has a lot of background details attached to it, but they aren't in the game. The fact that the t-virus leaked at the Waste Disposal Facility in August 2002, a month before the game, for example. It is still a good story, though. Pity they explained nothing, it would've been nice to actually know more about the Anti-Umbrella Pursuit and Investigation Team and such. I don't see what's so stupid or ridiculous about any of the games, to be honest. They are science-fiction and haven't really gone retarded when it comes to the story. I'd say the enemy designs are far more deplorable.

              The most irritating thing about the series is despite Yoshiki Okamoto's insistence with FLAGSHIP that they put a bigger focus on professional screenplays and scripts in the gaming industry, in the end, they still got shafted and the developers continued to leave out pretty important details.
              Last edited by News Bot; 08-11-2011, 01:18 PM.
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              • Originally posted by News Bot View Post
                Jesus christ it didn't. He already had a partial sex change prior to the events of the game, it's implied in the scenario draft because his body is dis-proportioned. It's the reason he wore the long black overcoat (which was totally baller).
                You can't really blame people for not knowing what's in scenario drafts. What the game showed was: Morpheus as a human was male, after a dose of G+T virus he was a female. So for someone who doesn't read/watch supplemental materials or behind the scene stuff it seems that it's G+T that turned him into a women.

                GUN SURVIVOR was great and has a pretty competent story, I don't see why you find it stupid (except the amnesia, fuck that).
                As I've mentioned before, Ark's plan to investigate on Vincent was to walk around, impose him and ask people about himself. Seriously, greatest plan ever; what could possibly go wrong.

                However, the "twist" (that Ark isn't Vincent) was spoiled to me before I played the game, so maybe that's affecting how I received the story.
                Last edited by Mr_Zombie; 08-11-2011, 02:39 PM.

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                • Originally posted by News Bot View Post
                  GUN SURVIVOR was great and has a pretty competent story, I don't see why you find it stupid (except the amnesia, fuck that).
                  An idiotic detective investigates an evil facility by assuming the identity of its commander. Forgets his name, meets two annoying brats, everyone tries to kill him, remembers his name, escapes with the annyoing brats. The End.

                  Originally posted by News Bot View Post
                  Heroes Never Die suffers from bad exposition and poor planning. Nothing is really explained in the game. The scenario draft has a lot of background details attached to it, but they aren't in the game. The fact that the t-virus leaked at the Waste Disposal Facility in August 2002, a month before the game, for example. It is still a good story, though. Pity they explained nothing, it would've been nice to actually know more about the Anti-Umbrella Pursuit and Investigation Team and such. I don't see what's so stupid or ridiculous about any of the games, to be honest. They are science-fiction and haven't really gone retarded when it comes to the story.
                  An idiotic detective investigates an evil ship. Meets a Chinese cookie-cutter love interest and a transgendered monster that can deflect bullets with electricity. Defeats the monster, kisses the love interest, escapes.

                  I can already smell the Man Booker.

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                  • Originally posted by News Bot View Post
                    Jesus christ it didn't. He already had a partial sex change prior to the events of the game, it's implied in the scenario draft because his body is dis-proportioned. It's the reason he wore the long black overcoat (which was totally baller).
                    Interesting. I remember reading somewhere that during the development at Production Studio 3, one of designers really wanted to make a female tyrant since there had never been one before. Even though the game was already in the works, the writers were like, "screw it man, go for it" lol. Not sure how much truth there is to that, but it's pretty funny to think about.
                    Last edited by REmaster; 08-11-2011, 03:06 PM.
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                    • Perhaps when RE6 comes out, I will put down Deus Ex and Mass Effect 3 long enough to play it. That's assuming I don't see some footage which blows me away, but doubt it looking at how DmC is turning out.

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                      • Originally posted by News Bot View Post
                        Jesus christ it didn't. He already had a partial sex change prior to the events of the game, it's implied in the scenario draft because his body is dis-proportioned. It's the reason he wore the long black overcoat (which was totally baller).

                        (fuck knows about those mutated heels though, but Sergei could talk clearly as a monster without a mouth so... fuck it)
                        Im....sorry?

                        As Mr zombie pointed out many people dont know they were scenario drafts for us to read, I never knew they existed until today.
                        Last edited by Vito; 08-11-2011, 03:18 PM.

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                        • Originally posted by Prime Blue View Post
                          An idiotic detective investigates an evil facility by assuming the identity of its commander. Forgets his name, meets two annoying brats, everyone tries to kill him, remembers his name, escapes with the annyoing brats. The End.

                          An idiotic detective investigates an evil ship. Meets a Chinese cookie-cutter love interest and a transgendered monster that can deflect bullets with electricity. Defeats the monster, kisses the love interest, escapes.

                          I can already smell the Man Booker.
                          Ark doesn't assume the identity of Vincent, he only does so with Andy, and the game makes it clear that Andy has never seen Vincent. Ark takes advantage of that. That doesn't sound stupid to me, and Ark only does it so he can have a look at the sewer.

                          Morpheus also doesn't deflect bullets, the electrical field shatters them. Humans already have an electrical current and are capable of outputting quite a lot of energy. The t+G-virus just strengthens it. Far-fetched, maybe, but not stupid. The G-virus is capable of producing mass out of thin air. What do you expect?

                          I can say "an idiotic college girl/an idiotic police officer/an idiotic agent/an idiotic Special Forces member/an idiotic doctor/an idiotic maid/Vietnam veteran/subway worker/reporter/former employee with amnesia investigates an evil city, meets a brat/cookie-cutter love interest, defeats the monster and buys shoes". Doesn't make the story itself stupid. From what I can tell, the scenarios are fine, it's the presentation that falls flat. GS and GS4 having laughable budgets is one cause, bad creative decisions by the developers is another. The scenarios themselves are no less stupid than any other game in the series, they are just shorter. The scenario for BH0 isn't even bad, the Queen Leech using vocals to control the other leeches isn't stupid, but it is executed in the most stupid way imaginable.

                          The enemy designs in the series now are easily more fucking retarded anyway and about as frightening as a hedgehog. Sergei, V Complex, T-A.L.O.S., Ivan, Hilda, El Gigante, Ndesu, Kipepeo, Cephalo, Duvalia, etc.
                          Last edited by News Bot; 08-11-2011, 03:48 PM.
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                          • Originally posted by News Bot View Post
                            The enemy designs in the series now are easily more fucking retarded anyway and about as frightening as a hedgehog.





                            How dare you.
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                            • Originally posted by REmaster View Post



                              How dare you.
                              Say hello to the new Hunter type in BIOHAZARD 6!
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                              • Originally posted by News Bot View Post
                                Ark doesn't assume the identity of Vincent, he only does so with Andy, and the game makes it clear that Andy has never seen Vincent. Ark takes advantage of that. That doesn't sound stupid to me, and Ark only does it so he can have a look at the sewer.

                                Morpheus also doesn't deflect bullets, the electrical field shatters them. Humans already have an electrical current and are capable of outputting quite a lot of energy. The t+G-virus just strengthens it. Far-fetched, maybe, but not stupid. The G-virus is capable of producing mass out of thin air. What do you expect?
                                Pettifoggery. Still retarded.

                                Originally posted by News Bot View Post
                                I can say "an idiotic college girl/an idiotic police officer/an idiotic agent/an idiotic Special Forces member/an idiotic doctor/an idiotic maid/Vietnam veteran/subway worker/reporter/former employee with amnesia investigates an evil city, meets a brat/cookie-cutter love interest, defeats the monster and buys shoes". Doesn't make the story itself stupid. From what I can tell, the scenarios are fine, it's the presentation that falls flat. GS and GS4 having laughable budgets is one cause, bad creative decisions by the developers is another. The scenarios themselves are no less stupid than any other game in the series, they are just shorter.
                                They are way worse than the older main line games, which are comparatively complex – that doesn't make the characters any less cookie cutter, but they are overall more believable.

                                Bottom-line: the fact that Sugimura is dead doesn't mean that every single of his works is a grand masterpiece that is greatly misinterpreted and mangled by imbecile directors and series fans. He conceived some good stories, he conceived some horribly stupid stories.

                                Originally posted by REmaster View Post
                                Interesting. I remember reading somewhere that during the development at Production Studio 3, one of designers really wanted to make a female tyrant since there had never been one before. Even though the game was already in the works, the writers were like, "screw it man, go for it" lol. Not sure how much truth there is to that, but it's pretty funny to think about.
                                True, it's from here.
                                Last edited by Guest; 08-11-2011, 04:02 PM.

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