Muscles Glasses vs. Jensen Ackles (Or: Team Chris vs. Team Leon)

[Vito]

Chris Redfield seems like he clearly overcompensates for something. Who cares if he beat Wesker. RE5 was horrible. Leon was far more badass in RE4 and you know it. Leon doesn't need 5 games to finally kill the bad guy. Just one, that's how badass he is.

Comments like these makes me realize im the only one who actually loved RE5.

[Grem]

I knew that Chris was Chris the first moment I saw him on those REmake previews. I think anyone who was remotely familiar with RE was able to identify him on the spot. Pointy ears or not, Chris as seen in REmake, is the same Chris we always knew.

Not so with the Chris from RE5. Nobody knew for sure, who he was when they first saw him.

A lot of people thought that the guy featured in the first RE5 trailer, was actually Billy Coen. Billy at the time was the most muscular protagonist in the RE world. RE5 was set in Africa (Billy knew the continent from a previous mission he had there) and there was some sort of confusion about who was doing the voice work. It seems like it was the same actor that did Billy's voice. The thing is, not a lot of people were sure about it being Chris.

I'm not saying we couldn't tell it was Chris in REmake. Just that he didn't look how he was supposed to be. It looks like his hair are somewhat gray or something, that it's a helmet instead of an actual haircut. Plus, he looks like an elf with these ears. Really, he didn't give that impression in the original or code veronica.
I have the same problem with Barry. Where is the big beard? He seems more skinny and instead of a rounded face, he has a long face. They kind of fucked up the character models in REmake.

As for RE5, I didn't have that problem. I immediately thought it was Chris. He was more recognizable than in Remake. He had messy brown hair back again and I thought that his eyes were a bit like in Code veronica. The only problem with RE5 Chris was the ridiculous amount of muscles he gained.

[Pikminister]

I'm not saying we couldn't tell it was Chris in REmake. Just that he didn't look how he was supposed to be. It looks like his hair are somewhat gray or something, that it's a helmet instead of an actual haircut. Plus, he looks like an elf with these ears. Really, he didn't give that impression in the original or code veronica.
I have the same problem with Barry. Where is the big beard? He seems more skinny and instead of a rounded face, he has a long face. They kind of fucked up the character models in REmake.

As for RE5, I didn't have that problem. I immediately thought it was Chris. He was more recognizable than in Remake. He had messy brown hair back again and I thought that his eyes were a bit like in Code veronica. The only problem with RE5 Chris was the ridiculous amount of muscles he gained.

Nah, I don't see any of the problems you see in the REmake character models. And I can safely say that you're among the minority of those that had seriously any problems with 'em. Especialy with how Jill Valentine or Barry Burton Looked. BTW, Barry was not supposed to be fat (like Brian Irons) - instead, he was merely a middle-aged man that gained a little weight. More of it being muscle than fat.

I give you that Chris hair looked kinda funky in the remake (he had a jew-fro). But other than that... everything looked great in that game. You saw amazing work that inspired a lot of character model-makers ever since.

Now IMO, I really think you're just trying really, really hard to bash the REmake models just to make those RE5 character models fuck-ups look good in comparison - I mean, Brontosaurus Chris and POTATOE-NOSE Jill Valentine look like rejects from some other games - Gears of War and Tekken/Virtua Fighter, respectively.

Chris looks like a generic FPS grunt and Jill looks like a long list of generic blondes wearing a pony-tail (Nina Williams, Sarah Bryant, Samus Aran, etc. etc. etc.).

Lets face it... there was a lot of confusion over who Chris was in the first trailer and who the blonde girl was in that tube ('OMFG It's Sherry!"). And once Capcom made clear who they were, a lot of ppl went "Oh really, Capcom? Its that the best you could do?".

Besides, from all the reviews and impressions that I've ever heard and read since REmake's came to view around 2001-2002, the general consensus is that the character models looked great. Not everyone would agree with that. Obviously. Like not everyone agrees that sex is great either (look up Michele Bachmann for more on that).

...Saddler was a B-list villain with a crappy plan that, let's face it, got foiled by a single American agent. I mean, he bought a freakin' battleship as his plan B.

Which is no different from how Wesker turns out in RE5. Really dissapointing how he became just another B-movie villain with a typical Dr. Evil plan about dominating the world and shit. He even got into the whole 'I'm a God' crap that Caligula made famous several centuries before. How original.

I mean seriously, he spent years working in the shadows. And becoming Neo from the Matrix is the best they could come up with? And the whole Alex Wesker deal... SHEESH!.

[Grem]

Now IMO, I really think you're just trying really, really hard to bash the REmake models just to make those RE5 character models fuck-ups look good in comparison - I mean, Brontosaurus Chris and POTATOE-NOSE Jill Valentine look like rejects from some other games - Gears of War and Tekken/Virtua Fighter, respectevely.

No, absolutely not. To tell the truth, I was really disappointed in RE5 aswell. And I don't really like how Chris is in RE5. I don't see any problem with Jill, though. She's got the exact same face than in REmake. I never understood why people bashed her RE5 model aside from the fact that she was blonde. But, in general RE5 disappointed me and I'm also one of the few poeple who was really disappointed in REmake. Not because it wasn't an awesome game, but because it wasn't RE1. It was a new RE game, based on RE1 story. All was different...the atmosphere, the image of the characters, the places looked different aswell. That game is probably awesome but it's NOT RE1.

No one will ever succeed to make me change my mind on that. So, don't try, it's useless

[Pikminister]

No, absolutely not. To tell the truth, I was really disappointed in RE5 aswell. And I don't really like how Chris is in RE5. I don't see any problem with Jill, though. She's got the exact same face than in REmake. I never understood why people bashed her RE5 model aside from the fact that she was blonde. But, in general RE5 disappointed me and I'm also one of the few poeple who was really disappointed in REmake. Not because it wasn't an awesome game, but because it wasn't RE1. It was a new RE game, based on RE1 story. All was different...the atmosphere, the image of the characters, the places looked different aswell. That game is probably awesome but it's NOT RE1.

No one will ever succeed to make me change my mind on that. So, don't try, it's useless

No, I think we can agree to disagree.

Like what you said about REmake not being RE1.

I think its silly to say REmake wasn't RE1 based on the fact that said game 1up'ed the original in just about everything - except with the crappy dialogue horrendously delivered by some random guys. Guys that Capcom stuffed inside the recording booth and told them "here, read this!".

But that all good. Not everyone thinks the same. Beautiful. vive la différence!

[Grem]

I think its silly to say REmake wasn't RE1 based on the fact that said game 1up'ed the original in just about everything

It didn't just improved the original. It completely changed it. That's my main problem on REmake.

To make you understand better. Take Darkside Chronicles. The places of RE2 and CV are improved graphically but you can still feel the same atmosphere than in their original games. So why not in REmake?

If you had to choose between REmake and the original, which one will you say is the true RE1?

But, oh well, you're right. Everyone thinks differently afterall.

[Pikminister]

It didn't just improved the original. It completely changed it. That's my main problem on REmake.

To make you understand better. Take Darkside Chronicles. The places of RE2 and CV are improved graphically but you can still feel the same atmosphere than in their original games. So why not in REmake?

If you had to choose between REmake and the original, which one will you say is the true RE1?

But, oh well, you're right. Everyone thinks differently afterall.

Wait a minute... so you think the Chronicles games actually were more like the originals in almost everyway (including atmosphere) than the REmake?

O-kay.........

I rest my case.

[Grem]

No, I was talking about graphics and places only. I don't think people will understand what I mean. I struggle to explain precisely because my English is not really perfect.

[Pikminister]

No, I was talking about graphics and places only. I don't think people will understand what I mean. I struggle to explain precisely because my English is not really perfect.

No its okay. I think I know what you mean to say. In regards to how the Chronicle games got the vibe of the original games and made it work to a point.

Besides, I'm fine with ppl not liking the REmake. It makes me sad, yes... but I'll deal with it.

[Mr. Rod]

RE1 will always hold a special place in everyone's gamer heart, but COME ON. REmake is absolutely the definitive version of the first game (and no it's not just the graphics, it's everything about it!). The game is what Mikami really intended RE1 to be originally, the PS1 version had a lot of stuff cut to make it fit into the disc and hardware it was made for.

[kevstah2004]

RE1 will always hold a special place in everyone's gamer heart, but COME ON. REmake is absolutely the definitive version of the first game (and no it's not just the graphics, it's everything about it!). The game is what Mikami really intended RE1 to be originally, the PS1 version had a lot of stuff cut to make it fit into the disc and hardware it was made for.

Disc space wasn't a issue, it was just lazy capcom not reusing the same files for both scenarios, same issue with re2 being two discs.
Maybe i'm wrong but the n64 version of re2 reuses the same files to cut down on space.

[Pikminister]

To be fair, a lot of the stuff included in the REmake wasn't even in Mikami's radar at the time RE1 first came up.

Like when they came up with the Crimson Heads (this near the end of development of dah game). Basically, Mikami went: "wait a minute, we made the same game here! The exact same experience! Let's add something different to spice things up!". The whole Trevor family tragedy was another thing they added.

Besides, 70 minutes of cutscenes would be quite a challenge back in the days. I can imagine the loading scenes already.

BTW, about this poll.... Are there really that many active users on this forum?

Really?

[Darkmoon]

Trevor's Files were a last minute cut from the original game. Everyone's favored mutant, however, was never mentioned in her hideously killy form, so she was probably added for Remake.

[REmaster]

To be fair, a lot of the stuff included in the REmake wasn't even in Mikami's radar at the time RE1 first came up.

Like when they came up with the Crimson Heads (this near the end of development of dah game). Basically, Mikami went: "wait a minute, we made the same game here! The exact same experience! Let's add something different to spice things up!". The whole Trevor family tragedy was another thing they added.

Besides, 70 minutes of cutscenes would be quite a challenge back in the days. I can imagine the loading scenes already.

BTW, about this poll.... Are there really that many active users on this forum?

Really?

Fanboys creating new accounts hoping to turn the tide of the race

RE1 will always hold a special place in everyone's gamer heart, but COME ON. REmake is absolutely the definitive version of the first game (and no it's not just the graphics, it's everything about it!). The game is what Mikami really intended RE1 to be originally, the PS1 version had a lot of stuff cut to make it fit into the disc and hardware it was made for.

Not to bring this glorious battle off topic, but I just have to say:


RE1 was my FGOAL(my new acronym for favorite game of all time), until the Remake came along. It blurred the line between a game and reality, pushing the very limits of what I thought was possible with a game as far as atmosphere and graphics, just as the original did several years before. There are some games that you come across and think, I bet if they had more time/money they would have added this, polished that, delved deeper into this plot, etc., and then there are games like the Remake, where you can tell from the time you pick up the controller until the time you ride a chopper off into the sunset that they did exactly what they wanted with that title.

[kevstah2004]

To be fair, a lot of the stuff included in the REmake wasn't even in Mikami's radar at the time RE1 first came up.

Like when they came up with the Crimson Heads (this near the end of development of dah game). Basically, Mikami went: "wait a minute, we made the same game here! The exact same experience! Let's add something different to spice things up!". The whole Trevor family tragedy was another thing they added.

Besides, 70 minutes of cutscenes would be quite a challenge back in the days. I can imagine the loading scenes already.

BTW, about this poll.... Are there really that many active users on this forum?

Really?

The crimson head was based on the kitchen zombie