Muscles Glasses vs. Jensen Ackles (Or: Team Chris vs. Team Leon)

[Pikminister]

Oh you'll see. The idea of "getting the job done" is only as effective as how they do it. And there in lies the problem. You say Leon doesn't want to put others in harms way yet he very well does just that.

He also abuses his rights as a government agent, but I'll get more into that later.

Well I'll await until you have made your entire argument before I reply to what you said. Cuz the same arguments can be made against Chris.

But a Chris lovin' user won't ever make 'em, though. Amiright?

[Det. Beauregard]

It isn't until the events of Degeneration do we see Claire and Leon reunite. And the implication is that Leon and her haven't been in touch that often since then. Your two main characters in RE2 and they barely see each other. At least RE1's Chris and Jill remained partners working in the same group they helped create. Sure they'll have missions with other partners, but they'll eventually lead back to one another.

Chris and Jill remained partners after the mansion incident because they had known each other for quite a while before the incident. Leon and Claire met randomly and endured roughly half a day's worth of hell, most of the time not even together. For all we know they didn't even like each other, but the fact that they had to "escape from the nightmare" overshadowed any such feelings.

We at least know that they were in contact in late December of 1998, as Leon was able to swiftly contact Chris after receiving the emergency e-mail from Claire.

To be honest, I preferred the Leon/Claire partnership (if you can call it that) to the Chris/Jill one. I just find the latter two to be boring.

[Smiley]

Chris and Jill were just part of a bigger team of STARS members. Chris actually had a lot of friends within STARS from Barry to Forest. The fact that as survivors of the biohazard outbreak Chris and Jill made it a cause to stand up against is a strength on their partnership.

Leon on the other hand is doing this because he's blackmailed by the Government. Who knows if he really has any special ties to anyone. You'd think Ada, but she's about as trusting as Albert Wesker at times.

Think about this. The entire point of Leon in RE4 was to rescue Ashley for his government. He could give a damn about any of the potential villagers that haven't been infected by las plagas. Let alone he didn't care enough to stop Ada from taking the sample away.

If you think about his trust in Ada that falls back to RE2 then Leon should have known Ada wouldn't shoot him in the head and take the plagas sample. But he gives the sample up freely to her knowing full well that she works for the other side and what kind of problems that would face if her organization had the sample at their disposal.

At least the BSAA were on top of Kijuju. And when there was a set up going down some of them acted against orders just to ensure they stop Wesker and Excella from damning the world.

Now you wanna run by me exactly how Leon fares with that in mind?

[Joey3264]

chris is way more attractive than leon. I prefer more masculine men instead of pretty boys X3

wait... whats this poll arguing exactly

[Ununoctium]

I voted for Chris, but primarily because I don't like the direction RE4 took the series.

[Joey3264]

ha ha, but seriously I always liked Chris way more than Leon. sure Mr. Kennedy is pretty badass but he's also kind of shallow.

People generally only judge characters by looks.

Leon is more appealing than Chris at first glance because he's your typical cute guy with boyish looks while being a badass, but Chris is perhaps a bit more realistic as a human being.

The fact that Chris lacks charisma makes him less popular. That doesn't mean the character is less interesting personnality wise.

I totally agree with Grem on that

[omegaSTARS]

I totally agree with the last posts.

At least Chris ENDED Umbrella like he promised in Code Veronica.
To tell you the truth if you noticed, he always keeps his promises.

Besides Chris had his reasons to ''muscle up'' because he knew that he would eventually face Wesker and he is/was no laughing matter.

But what DID Leon DO to end Umbrella?
Did he ever met Wesker or Spencer?
Wesker didn't even care about Leon to take care of him personally.

As for Krauser he was just a puppet of Wesker afterall, since then he got other ones like Excella and Irving to do his bidding, and that is the truth.

And whats laughable is that Leon worked for the goverment and that didn't help him end Umbrella, since he's been doing side missions for them.

Chris has had more importance in the MAIN storyline of the series than Leon, if people don't believe me than play the entire series and read the files!

[Darkmoon]

I totally agree with the last posts.

At least Chris ENDED Umbrella like he promised in Code Veronica.
To tell you the truth if you noticed, he always keeps his promises.

Actually...Chris didn't stop Umbrella. Wesker did. Nothing that Chris did actually affected the outcome of the trial for Umbrella - it was entirely Wesker getting hold of the Red Queen and leaking stuff that did the job. I can't remember if Chris was given the job of finding the evidence, but it was Wesker's doing and scheming.

But what DID Leon DO to end Umbrella?
Did he ever met Wesker or Spencer?
Wesker didn't even care about Leon to take care of him personally.

Wesker didn't care enough about Chris to kill him until he'd screwed up his plans. Wesker had several chances to simply punch out Chris' heart, and didn't bother to do so. Some of that was at least somewhat cat and mouse, but Wesker was supposed to be around genius level interlect - if he want Chris dead he could have done it before Chris could get the 'We-' part of his name out.

And Chris didn't meet Spencer either. Just saw his shattered corpse on the floor.

[Smiley]

Wesker had Umbrella's remains, but who killed Wesker?

[Darkmoon]

...his own arrogance and a volcano? It still irritates me that, at the end of the day, you could have each Resident Evil game end with the whole cast killed and replaced in there new appearance and the plot would pretty much be the same. Possibly not have some of the emotional impact. But Chris, Jill, Barry, Leon, Claire...everyone. They don't actually make any real impact on the over all story. If it was a different female member of S.T.A.R.S in RE3, and a different brother/sister duo in CODE: Veronica, and a different floppy haired ninja in RE4 Umbrella would have still be taken down in exactly the same way.

So far, RE5 is the closest they've come to using there own back story in an important way. And they didn't do it very well.

[Smiley]

The volcano didn't kill him. Try again.

[Darkmoon]

Possibly not, but do you think he was walking out of it? The missile launchers certainly didn't hurt in making sure, though. Still, I think it was mostly his own stupid actions and pride that did him in - Chris just managed to take advantage of those.

[Smiley]

He seemed stable enough to keep attacking despite falling in. Regardless he wasn't even planning to land on a volcano to begin with. Let's not beat around the bush. Two people killed Wesker. Neither were Leon. One was my man Chris. I rest my case.

[Darkmoon]

Eh, I don't think he would have survived just from the lava. Human flesh - does not work well with fire. Uroboros parasite - only known weakness, fire (you don't much hotter than liquid rock). Wesker Virus - suspected as being weak to fire, not even active at that point. Fire pretty much makes Wesker it's bitch. Honestly, I think he has a better chance of surviving the rocket launchers than he does the lava all things considered.

But yes, Chris killed him. My point is that if Wesker hadn't done some dumb shit (like toying with Chris once he was getting close, such as at the Jill fight, to torment him) Chris would have been a greasy smear on the floor. He'd never have had a chance to get de-powered via that injection, ended up fighting on a plane and landing in a volcano. Even then, when fighting in a location he knew Uroborus would be weak to, he should have run like a whipped bitch and returned a couple of days later to kill Chris and everyone he's ever loved, then started over on a hopefully better master plan.

...and this is why I never like these Deux Ex Machina plot lines. Chris and Sheva pulled the trigger that blew him up, but ultimately they weren't responsible for killing Wesker. It should always be the hero's achievements that defeat an enemy, not the enemies fuck-ups, because then your heroes don't look very good. 'We never have defeated him if he hadn't gloated about having a single glowing yellow weak spot located exactly where his left nipple used to be during that rambling monologue!'

[Smiley]

The hero's achievements will always go hand in hand when evil outdoes itself in some fashion. Villains are made to underestimate their opponent. And against the odds the hero has to prevail. How else do bad guys get defeated? Reading LotR you can see this layered with nearly all the villains in that story.