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  • And I strongly disagree with you that history isn't as important to some folks, but I'm biased. History is why most sound thinking people believe black people should be allowed to sit on a bus and not be forced into the back part, why most sane people think Hitler's policies are insane and why most people think you don't get to own people now. History is all we were and shows the way to what we will be. But, as I said, I'm pretty biased on this - archaeologist, after all.
    Ehh. You make history sound like a living thing, haha. It isn't why people believe black people should be allowed to sit on a bus, people are why. History is a record. It definitely shows it, but that's about it. History isn't an enforcer and is only as right as the people who happen to record it, for which it is heavily biased as it is.

    Same with Capcom. I'm not saying they made RE5 so Chris could stick it to Africa. But in trying to make up for it with Sheva and the other examples they did make the situation all the more awkward for them.
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    • What we learn from history influences whether or not we're capable in making the same decisions again. Can you learn from history? Of course you can.

      But I will agree that as it does matter who enforces it. For example let's take a website and someone who enforces what content goes on there or not based on their own personal bias of how they viewed the content. You can choose to read their findings and agree or disagree, but you learn something out of it one way or another. Even if you don't agree with their documents you learn what someone felt the need to pass on and it gives you a better understanding about why they chose to do so.

      Or you can brush things off as assumption. I dunno. But I'm glad my friends and I can still take the piss out of each other without ignoring history and yet look to a brighter future in tolerance.

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      • I didn't say you couldn't learn from history.

        For example let's take a website and someone who enforces what content goes on there or not based on their own personal bias of how they viewed the content. You can choose to read their findings and agree or disagree, but you learn something out of it one way or another. Even if you don't agree with their documents you learn what someone felt the need to pass on and it gives you a better understanding about why they chose to do so.
        This is barely understandable.

        Or you can brush things off as assumption. I dunno. But I'm glad my friends and I can still take the piss out of each other without ignoring history and yet look to a brighter future in tolerance.
        I brush things off as assumption after taking into account the fact that there is no evidence to suggest it is not an assumption. Coincidences work both ways (and the term "coincidence" is bullshit in general), and the only issue is that you clearly see something most other people do not, and then you twist everything to try and get your point across and end up falling flat as a result and ignoring logic in the process because you're so convinced your assumption is correct. People have already pointed out the holes in your logic. Rather than offer counter-arguments, you reiterate the same assumption over and over again. Holes and all.

        I think a brighter future in tolerance comes from basic acceptance and not making a big deal out of every little thing where people can pick out any "undertone" under the sun and aggravate non-existent issues to promote an ill-informed deduction which pisses in the face of reason. Endlessly pointing out minor things as being racist does not even make sense given the nature of the word. To be racist, one has to actively do something and go out of their way to be grossly in-favour or grossly against a particular race of people. The real world is not Captain Planet, and taking a bitch fit because it isn't does not do anything but build up unrealistic expectations and a gross misunderstanding of race in general. Skin colour means precisely dick in the grand scheme of things, and going out of your way to aggressively show how it is so important will cause problems regardless of your intention, but then you'll blame it on "racism" rather than the fact that you presented yourself in a dumbass fashion and probably gave more of a shit than anybody else. People get tired of hearing about things they don't care about, universal fact number one. This is how most people feel when it comes to race and skin colour. It is the way forward. Making a massive deal out of the colour of someone's skin, whether your intentions are to "promote understanding" or to "promote being a cunt", is going to grate someone the wrong way regardless if they even agree with you or not. Black people do not want to be treated differently in any way. That is what equality is. Everyone is on equal footing and the colour of their pigment does not affect how people interact or feel about them, which includes pointing out historic issues. "Yes, I'm going to remind you of that time you and your ancestors were slaves, and you are going to be totally comfortable with it." Ever heard of white guilt too? Let people get on with their fucking lives already.

        Like I said before. You can pick out as many "undertones" as you want. For an undertone to matter even slightly, it would have to be placed there intentionally. Giving meaning to something without any rarely ever works in regards to anything.
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        • History is what living people do every day. So obviously its a living 'thing' that comes into existance thanks to our actions. We make history happen all the time. Even by not doing anything about certain issues or events, that becomes part of history. Its that dynamic.

          History can also be rewritten to suit the needs of those that seek to control the minds/opinions of others. And usually the ppl who do that, are well aware of the power of history and how it can influence lots of people.

          Shit, you even see all that happening here at THIA....

          Especially with those users that dedicate long hours researching RE files, interviews and obscure sources. Just to try to drive home their own view on a particular element of the plothole-infested RE history.

          Anywhoo.... are we still talking about the RE6 trailer?
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          • Yeah what was up with that trailer anyway? If you're going to make a fake RE6 trailer then it needs to be epic. Have Wesker control events that he planned ahead of time in case he died. Follow it up with Claire discovering the truth about Sherry and Steve's whereabouts. Have the BSAA and US Government join forces so Leon and Chris can work together for a change. Have Nicholai show up hired by the organization to eliminate all loose ends. And put a cherry on top with Nemesis 2.0 just so Jill can run around some more.

            All returning characters. Wrapped into one giant ball of epicness.

            It would be like Guns of the Patriots without the nanomachines!
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            • I never understood why Nicholai became so memorable to some fans.

              He was always 'that russian guy' in my book. No more than that.

              I was hoping he would show up in UC, though.
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              • Originally posted by Pikminister View Post
                I never understood why Nicholai became so memorable to some fans.

                He was always 'that russian guy' in my book. No more than that.

                I was hoping he would show up in UC, though.
                He was a pretty decent villain. Different from most others in the series since his only motivation was money.
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                • He's the one surviving villain who is all about the money. The last thing we need is for him to have some grand scheme involving the world's fate.

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                  • No, I didn't expect Nicholai to be another typical Dr. Evil villain... I really didn't expect him to be anything but a mercenary. And he was just that... working for money.

                    So that's why he didn't come off like a real baddie IMO. More like a person acting out his role.
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                    • But he did that with an extra oomph of awesome.
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                      • Originally posted by News Bot View Post
                        Ehh. You make history sound like a living thing, haha. It isn't why people believe black people should be allowed to sit on a bus, people are why. History is a record. It definitely shows it, but that's about it. History isn't an enforcer and is only as right as the people who happen to record it, for which it is heavily biased as it is.
                        It is. It breathes and changes. I watch it happen. Again, though, I'm biased.

                        But yes, people are why those things happen - history is why we know why we're doing it. Everyone's heard the old phrase 'Those who don't know there history are doomed to repeat it' and it's true. It's why I feel so strongly about some things...I've seen in more detail than most people how things were, and how far we've come, and how depressingly easy some people find it to take a step back again.

                        And, yes, you get bias in history. It's a real issue. Especially in Tertiary Sources. But you can often find out the other side of the story if you know where to look - winner's mostly get to write the stuff they teach in school. The losers keep a diary.

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                        • And if we are ever to hope for that progression we can't fall back. Capcom fell back. They caved at a time when they let the heat get to them. Black people aren't looking for a free hand out in the case of Sheva Alomar. Smart people will understand infected are infected. But regardless we had our series turn politically correct over the course of a trailer.

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