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  • #46
    Originally posted by Archelon View Post
    I still maintain that CODE: Veronica did tons more to ruin the plot of the RE series than RE4 ever did, at least for me, anyway.
    This is an interesting opinion. While CVX has my favorite plot in the series, I'll agree that it was the first game that was a bit too "out there" in the story department. But ruin the overall series' plot more than RE4?! I'd be interested to know why you feel that way.
    Mass production? Ridiculous!

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    • #47
      RE4 got rid of Umbrella in a quick intro from Leon.

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      • #48
        CODE: Veronica brought back Wesker, which turned into a rod for the series back. I wouldn't say it was worse than RE4's, 'You know that company you've been trying to defeat for a bunch of games, the ones you've been working to get rid of? Done! Oh, wait, YOU wanted to do it? No, the prologue is a better place to vanquish such a foe' intro. I have to skip the intro to this day, it leaves such a nasty taste in my mouth.

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        • #49
          Love RE4 to death, but I do agree that killing off Umbrella in the intro was bullshit. Though.. Didn't they kind of make up for that in Umbrella Chronicles with the Russian Facility scenario? That was pretty much the last legs of Umbrella, right? Chris and Jill finished them off and Wesker stole the data.. At least it was something.. ..
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          • #50
            See, I've never had a problem with the way Umbrella was taken down in RE4. It made more sense to have a government crackdown on the company than to have a small group of individuals somehow overthrow a multinational conglomerate simply by blowing up the HQ.

            Like I said, part of the reason I got into RE to begin with was its relative sense of believability, so seeing how Umbrella was ultimately dismantled didn't bother me nearly as much as some people (and then Umbrella Chronicles had to go and muck it all up).

            I should probably also mention that by the time RE4 was released, I really didn't care much about the story anymore anyway, so the drastic shift didn't bother me either. And I guess that's what I really meant when I said CV did more to ruin the story for me than RE4. After CV, I just stopped caring. It wasn't until RE4 that I really got back into the plot, because it was just so fresh and exciting, and it offered countless opportunities to expand the universe without being beholden to elements like Umbrella or the t-Virus.

            It showed, to me, that you could still have Resident Evil even without what many considered to be the trademark pillars of the franchise. Of course, Degeneration and RE5 had to turn around and say everything ultimately links back to Umbrella, so a lot of the potential from RE4 was lost.

            And yes, RE4 had a ridiculous story, but it was only following along in the tradition of games like CV and Zero. CV really opened the door to the more "out there" aspects of the series, and each subsequent game has just taken that ball and run with it. I'm pretty sure the only reason REmake managed to escape this was because it was a remake of the first game, which obviously took place before any of this other crazy stuff happened.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by PracticalAl View Post
              Love RE4 to death, but I do agree that killing off Umbrella in the intro was bullshit. Though.. Didn't they kind of make up for that in Umbrella Chronicles with the Russian Facility scenario? That was pretty much the last legs of Umbrella, right? Chris and Jill finished them off and Wesker stole the data.. At least it was something.. ..
              Considering how terrible Umbrella Chronicles was, it didn't make up for anything. It only made things worse, in my opinion. That Russian facility scenario was probably one of the worst moments of the series... For crying out loud, who the hell thought that T-A.L.O.S. garbage was even a remotely good idea? No... Just say no, kids.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by PracticalAl View Post
                Love RE4 to death, but I do agree that killing off Umbrella in the intro was bullshit. Though.. Didn't they kind of make up for that in Umbrella Chronicles with the Russian Facility scenario? That was pretty much the last legs of Umbrella, right? Chris and Jill finished them off and Wesker stole the data.. At least it was something.. ..
                Yeah, the big bad we wanted to take down was instead defeated by Wesker (See: CODE Veronica comment above) and even that took place in a iffy side on rails shooter...

                So no. No it did not.

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                • #53
                  Hey, hey! I didn't say it was a good scenario, just something. -And forget TALOS, what about the Ivans? Those things were freaky and hilarious at the same time. Like disco tyrants.

                  Last edited by PracticalAl; 10-03-2011, 11:58 AM.
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                  • #54
                    You need to draw Sergei and Nicholai having an arm wrestling contest with a knife on either side, so whoever loses gets their hand stabbed with a knife.

                    It's the Spetsnaz way!
                    See you in hell.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Mr. Spencer View Post
                      You need to draw Sergei and Nicholai having an arm wrestling contest with a knife on either side, so whoever loses gets their hand stabbed with a knife. It's the Spetsnaz way!
                      Ha! Next time I decide to doodle something, I'll defintiely do that. I'll bring it up a notch, T-Virus filled syringes instead of knives.. And the winner has to take on Mr. Armstrong the Bandersnatch.
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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Archelon View Post
                        See, I've never had a problem with the way Umbrella was taken down in RE4. It made more sense to have a government crackdown on the company than to have a small group of individuals somehow overthrow a multinational conglomerate simply by blowing up the HQ.
                        To me, while the government was mostly responsible for Umbrella's demise, the operation in Siberia was more of a "eliminate the last remnants of the corporation" mission.

                        Originally posted by Bianca View Post
                        That Russian facility scenario was probably one of the worst moments of the series... For crying out loud, who the hell thought that T-A.L.O.S. garbage was even a remotely good idea? No... Just say no, kids.
                        To be honest, I didn't have much of a problem with the actual story of the Umbrella's End scenario, other than the cartoony design of TALOS. What annoyed me (and this goes for Operation Javier, too) is that these scenarios would have been awesome to play in a "free mode." You know, where you actually had control of your character. Whether the gameplay was like that of the classics or RE4/RE5, I wouldn't have cared. As long as it was something other than a roller coaster ride along a track that held your hand!
                        Mass production? Ridiculous!

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by PracticalAl View Post
                          I'll bring it up a notch, T-Virus filled syringes instead of knives.. And the winner has to take on Mr. Armstrong the Bandersnatch.
                          A stroke of genius.

                          We've also explained how Sergei mutated at the end of Umbrella Chronicles.
                          Last edited by Mr. Spencer; 10-05-2011, 03:01 AM.
                          See you in hell.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Mr. Spencer View Post
                            A stroke of genius. We've also explained how Sergei mutated at the end of Umbrella Chronicles.
                            Did this real quick last night.. ..

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by PracticalAl View Post
                              Did this real quick last night.. ..

                              Haha, that's awesome.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by PracticalAl View Post
                                Did this real quick last night.. ..

                                Glorious, Al. Glorious.

                                See you in hell.

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