James Marcus did not develop the t-Virus.

[Smiley]

Well his vision was always his company's motto.

Obedience breeds discipline...

[alexdz]

Adding to the topic here, while I do agree there were various versions of the T-virus made by different research teams, Marcus' virus was the first one. And saying that Spencer and Edward created the T-virus first contradicts everything else that was said in the matter.

[Darkmoon]

You're lucky I don't know what a "Kevstah" is. I might have been offended.

...and now you're doing the same nonsensical spam as Kevstah, or kevstah2004 if you feel semantic. Joy. Just what I need. Allow this to be a final warning

[Smiley]

Adding to the topic here, while I do agree there were various versions of the T-virus made by different research teams, Marcus' virus was the first one. And saying that Spencer and Edward created the T-virus first contradicts everything else that was said in the matter.

Indubitably. With this train of thought we could very well argue that many inventors are not solely held in such high regard without the people that made it possible for them.

EDIT:

...and now you're doing the same nonsensical spam as Kevstah, or kevstah2004 if you feel semantic. Joy. Just what I need. Allow this to be a final warning

Because I'm supposed to know "who" that is? My 'final warning' is on the grounds of some user I have no affiliation with?

[News Bot]

Adding to the topic here, while I do agree there were various versions of the T-virus made by different research teams, Marcus' virus was the first one. And saying that Spencer and Edward created the T-virus first contradicts everything else that was said in the matter.

It's not really the first of anything. After all, apparently it is a completely separate virus from whatever Ashford or Spencer developed. Evidently, the only common trait is that it was derived from the Progenitor virus. The only connection is the name, "t-virus", which is a general term rather than a name. Marcus was probably just being an obvious bastard, or the file was written in such a way to make it obvious and to basically illuminate the fact that it was the origin of that particular t-virus. I don't think there was a reason for Marcus to make up an original name if there was a big rivalry over the t-virus in particular.

I'm not actually leaning towards either side of the argument, I'm actually just exhausting all possible avenues of debate to try and reach a conclusion. I would prefer it if things were consistent.

[Darkmoon]

Because I'm supposed to know "who" that is? My 'final warning' is on the grounds of some user I have no affiliation with?

I didn't say your were affiliated. I said you were pulling the same kind of shit he did here - http://the-horror.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8696 - and it impresses me less and less.

[TheBatMan]

According to the glossary section of BIOHAZARD CODE:Veronica Kaitai Shinsho:





Progenitor was absolutely worthless for B.O.W. production, so it makes sense that they would focus their efforts on a mutated strain with that potential. Otherwise they were twiddling their thumbs for 10 years while Marcus did all the work. Yet supposedly there is some astounding corporate rivalry going on over it? I really doubt they were all having a go at each other over a useless virus.



It does say that, but he doesn't seem too concerned, there's no implication anything was stolen. And if Marcus' version was not as potent, then that means that there would hardly be any zombies, if any, in BH0. On the other hand, you have an executive candidate touching one of his leeches and going through the same phase as the Keeper in BH1, and this is before the training facility is shut down.

Well I'd say he was concerned as that is why he panicked and chose to formally announce his research at the next meeting but by then it was too late and Spencer already knew what he'd been up to.

Progenitor was useless for B.O.W. production yes, so I agree they focused on creating a variant that would be superior to this. But no one was twiddling their thumbs whilst Marcus was working on it. Spencer performed secret experiments on the Trevors for one thing and had Lisa Trevor to study throughout the 1970s, and we know the Ashfords were working on Progenitor but this was brought to an abrupt halt with Edward's death in 1968.

The 1970's pre-77 is mostly blank in information anyway which is a shame as it could really go into detail here on this very topic.

Dennis and a few other trainees did become zombies yes, but I believe they may be of the unlucky few. Marcus certainly didn't set out to create zombies and Wesker himself states that they could not manage this until 1981 after a new variant of the virus had been created. Marcus had ten years from 1978-88 to improve his work and he too may have improved the virus which was released at the research centre.

And if the first t-Virus was created in the 1960's why was there no B.O.W.s until the 1980's? Marcus himself tested Progenitor on mammals, insects and amphibians and was frustrated at the lack of results. If this t-Virus was already around, why not use that?

[Smiley]

Oh thaaaaaat guuuuy. Not very fond of him. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

[News Bot]

Well I'd say he was concerned as that is why he panicked and chose to formally announce his research at the next meeting but by then it was too late and Spencer already knew what he'd been up to.

Progenitor was useless for B.O.W. production yes, so I agree they focused on creating a variant that would be superior to this. But no one was twiddling their thumbs whilst Marcus was working on it. Spencer performed secret experiments on the Trevors for one thing and had Lisa Trevor to study throughout the 1970s, and we know the Ashfords were working on Progenitor but this was brought to an abrupt halt with Edward's death in 1968.

The 1970's pre-77 is mostly blank in information anyway which is a shame as it could really go into detail here on this very topic.

Dennis and a few other trainees did become zombies yes, but I believe they may be of the unlucky few. Marcus certainly didn't set out to create zombies and Wesker himself states that they could not manage this until 1981 after a new variant of the virus had been created. Marcus had ten years from 1978-88 to improve his work and he too may have improved the virus which was released at the research centre.

And if the first t-Virus was created in the 1960's why was there no B.O.W.s until the 1980's? Marcus himself tested Progenitor on mammals, insects and amphibians and was frustrated at the lack of results. If this t-Virus was already around, why not use that?

Ehh, none of that sounds that really concrete though... this is beginning to turn into quite a mindfuck, haha.

As for why the t-virus wasn't used, I assume it's because the t-virus developed by Spencer wasn't much of an improvement over the Progenitor virus. It was mostly useless. Marcus is the most significant because he succeeded where the others all failed and managed to actually create B.O.W.s, while Spencer's project was dragging along and took several years to get to the same stage as Marcus until he finally went "fuck it!" and killed his ass. Then just took over Marcus' research and incorporated all of it into his own project, producing the "final" t-virus and all of the strains following (namely Tyrant and V-ACT).

[TheBatMan]

I can see no other conclusion to reach to be honest given what we are told in the files and Wesker's Report 2 ha ha. Though I agree the Marcus virus infection thing is just a theory.

Whilst I'll accept that t-Virus may have once been recognised for a general term for Progenitor variant and that originally the t-virus was supposed to have been created in the 1960's, I still think all that went out of the window with the release of Bio 0.

I think suggesting a t-Virus was created in the 1960's is just going to confuse people with the timeline as it stands now in the post-Remake era.

[News Bot]

I think you might be right. CODE:Veronica and the original BH0 were written with the original BH1 in mind, with the Clay Virus. Then BH0 was scrapped and rewritten, and a remake produced of the original game which allowed them to completely remove the Clay Virus and introduce the Progenitor Virus as a much bigger plot point, taking the fact that it was discovered in Africa from when CV was written, I guess (assuming it even came from CV, since it was still the Clay Virus in that game and the earliest Africa reference is in BH0).

Also, Alexander's Memo is not in BHDC, despite being quite an important file. Maybe a hint? Haha.

[Archelon]

I didn't read through the whole thread, so this has probably already been brought up, but didn't we already know this?

I thought an interview with the director of CODE: Veronica already stated that there were multiple strains of the t-Virus, each created at a different Umbrella lab.

[Pikminister]

For stuff like this, I always check with what the games themselves have to say about it. Cuz the other sources might not be as reliable.

Zero makes it extremely clear that Marcus came up with both the name of the virus and at least the very first version of it.

MARCUS DIARY: September 19th
At last.. I've discovered a way to build a new virus type with "Progenitor" as a base. Mixing it with leech DNA was a breakthrough I needed.. I call this new virus "T", for "Tyrant".

MARCUS DIARY: February 11th
I will announce "T" at the next directors meeting and collect my just rewards..

And Marcus pretty much makes the point in Zero that his T-Virus research was taken over by Birkin and Wesker. We even saw the whole thing happen in a flashback FMV:

From the FMV: Birkin: "I will take over your research."

So yeah, in my opinion Marcus came up with the original T-Virus.