Resident Evil Revelations

[News Bot]

I don't think the files are part of the scenario, they're usually written separately.

[Pikminister]

Whoa there fella. Jumping the gun a bit are we? If anything is campy like the Adam West Batman films it has to be the original RE. Comparing REmake to that just doesn't fly, and you're not really giving me any examples to show how compared to the other games. And if I'm not saying it's Oscar material then I'm expecting Shakespeare huh?

No, I just said that you probably must think that old Batman show was actually a serious take on the character, based on how you seem to think REmake is devoid of any of the endearing B movie elements that are obvious to anyone familiar with em.

But I guess you are not familiar with them. So obviously you don't see any of it. At all.

Like the blatant reference to an Italian zombie movie (prob from Fulci) at the very beginning of the game.

Here's a question: Why can't good material stand on its own without being compared to the highest possible class with you?

You're asking the wrong questions. You should ask "Why can't I accept the fact that RE and cheesy, corny dialogue go together like cookies & milk?". And "why can't I deal with the FACT (not opinion) that the REmake includes some of that in its DNA?"

I don't care if you like REmake or are bashing it. If you're going to say it's as campy and cheesy then you're failing to get the point across. Sadly, the truth is the script will never be as bad as you make it out to be cause the original exists to prove how much it's improved since then. To go one step further the presentation all around is proof of that. This is one remake that delivers in all aspects.

I don't need to prove shit about something so damn obvious. That the REmake includes corny cheesy lines is known to all who had the good fortune of having played it in full.

Now you're trying to sell me the idea that the REmake can only be perfect because it doesn't includes all those godhead B-movie elements that inspired the freakin' franchise in the first place.

It ain't working fella!

[Smiley]

The files are still part of the game's writing. Doesn't matter if there's more than one writer either.

And Pikmin you're still not proving your case much. I've given you the chance to show how, but it's thrown back in my face with Batman, Shakespeare and cookies. All things I enjoy, but have yet to show how REmake's script is not good. I understand that you feel it's not, but I'm trying to get an understanding of why that is. You say it's obvious, but is it? Why would I be confused and ask for some kind of example that you're having a hard time displaying?

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Like the blatant reference to an Italian zombie movie (prob from Fulci) at the very beginning of the game.

Always thought REmake's intro scene was a reference to Dawn of the Dead released a year before. Which I always took as one of the better movies featuring the undead. That scene in the opening wasn't camp either. A zombie rises and is promptly shot in the head. Not over-done in any way. It's a simple set up, and if paying homage it plays out well.

[News Bot]

Doesn't matter if there's more than one writer either.

Then why focus on Dai Sato?

[Smiley]

Because Capcom focused on Dai Sato. DUH!

[News Bot]

Because Capcom focused on Dai Sato. DUH!

This is pretty stupid. I'm starting to think you're losing sight of what you're even talking about. Nobody is even disagreeing with you. You just keep bringing up a silly point even after I've flat-out agreed with you.

The science behind the biohazard outbreak is placed in the background

Um. Have you ever looked at the back of the game case before, or the manual? They usually start by saying that the whole thing is over a biohazard. Shit, the series is fucking called Biohazard.

[Pikminister]

And Pikmin you're still not proving your case much. I've given you the chance to show how, but it's thrown back in my face with Batman, Shakespeare and cookies. All things I enjoy, but have yet to show how REmake's script is not good. I understand that you feel it's not, but I'm trying to get an understanding of why that is. You say it's obvious, but is it? Why would I be confused and ask for some kind of example that you're having a hard time displaying?

About the script, I already said that you should read it. So read it, dude. Stop gabbin' online. Read the damn thing. I had to translate the whole thing a few years ago. The cheese... is right there in b&w. You don't see it because you don't wanna see it. And when you play REmake, maybe you can't hear the lines being spoken in-game either. I dunno what's your deal cuz its obvious that the actors were punching that script to death trying to make sense of it. And that's the whole idea. That's how it needed to be done. The game is the ultimate homage to B movies. Thus why it has those filters on screen. Emulating an old movie and stuff.

Always thought REmake's intro scene was a reference to Dawn of the Dead released a year before. Which I always took as one of the better movies featuring the undead. That scene in the opening wasn't camp either. A zombie rises and is promptly shot in the head. Not over-done in any way. It's a simple set up, and if paying homage it plays out well.

I mentioned that as an example of REmake's B-Movie influences. Not as an example of it being "campy". Please try to focus, dude. I said that in the context of speaking about the B movie influence that are obvious, yes, obvious in the REmake.

But maybe you grew up with Saw or Paranormal activity... thus why you don't get or see any of the B movie influences. I dunno. Is that it? Are you a millennial?

[Smiley]

How is it stupid? I'm not even arguing about Dai Sato as a good or bad writer. He's brought up in interviews and I looked into the work he's done because his name has been singled out. I'm curious to see his take on RE and what he does with it. We've shifted over to writing in general and its influence in the horror genre. I'm just discussing the aspects; I certainly hope you're taking this as me picking for an argument?

If Revelations has good writing then I'll compliment it. If someone else is handling the files then they'll be sure to get my gratitude.

And yes I've noticed the game case. But as far as the games are concerned the science is still placed in the background of it. It's a tool used to explain the creatures. The game primarily is about survivors that range in different aspects working their way through the monsters of an evil corporation. In fact in the first game you're starting off in a horror scenario (haunted mansion of sorts) and working your way into discovering the truth behind the outbreak. I won't deny the science fiction aspects of it, but you don't reach the labs till much later in the story. And it's not as though science has never mixed with horror before. The idea of bringing a monster to life through science is a concept used many times.

And Pikmin I'm aware of the script. I even brought up a writing example, and you said that it goes beyond it. In what way? I would think it would be easy to prove with examples in the script, but I'm starting to feel as though you're dodging any kind of evidence. I know it's not as campy or cheesy. If it was because of denial I wouldn't argue against it cause REmake is the perfect Resident Evil experience for me. As I said, I'm biased. All I wanted to know is why you feel it's as campy as the rest. But you make it sound much more difficult to prove than it should be. The plot isn't hard to make sense of. In fact it's pretty basic. That's not a bad thing either.

When people speak of B-movie material they generally mean it's camp. Now you're making assumptions that I only watch Paranormal Activity and Saw. Good horror films in their own way, but irrelevant to the issue of REmake's script. You ignored that I brought up a popular 70s zombie film in my last post directed at you that I consider a highlight and a reference to that scene. So your speculation of what films I grew up with has no basis behind it. I don't even know why I'm putting my cred on horror films on the line. Would you care to explain that to me?

[Pikminister]

No, didn't mean to diss your cred in that way, dude. Its just that the whole B movie influence is not limited to it being campy. Sometimes it doesn't even involve that at all.

I'm talking about B-movie influences like having a far-out plotline. In this case, an outbreak with zombies and monsters - oh my!. Featuring some cheesy acting with actors trying to deliver crappy lines withouth LOL while their doing it. Some of those lines end up being so bad that they become famous over time. Like most of what Barry Burton or Leon S. Kennedy have come up with over the years.

One of the most famous B movie of all time was Star Wars. It had a bigger budget than a regular B movie. But it was still a B movie. It was full of cheese and corny lines. Even the actors had trouble speaking their lines on that film. That's where RE and SW are so much alike IMO. The way they have to make it seem like they're saying important & relevant shit, despite the fact that everything seems so damn ridiculous.

I mean, most of what makes up the RE & Star Wars universe defies any reasonable logic.Yet within its B-movie setting it all makes perfect sense. Because its suppose to be ridiculous. The plot and all its devices that move it foward. Based somewhat on reality but on an exagerated one.

Now how the fudge can you look at the REmake and not recognize all that?

The crazy plot about walking corpses that shouldn't even be able to stand up much less walk around. The ludicrous way some things seem to happen just to move the plot along (a typical Hollywierd tactic), the characters wearing uniforms that feature unique colors to each of them. Sorta like the Powerpuff Girls, Power Rangers or Teletubbies (take yer pick). Jill running away from boulders like Leon did in RE4. Heck, even Chris did that in the Remake. I guess he later learned to punch 'em instead of running from them, eh?. You got over-sized frogmen, plants and sharks all over the place. You use magic boxes to stash away your stuff. Just like in real life LOL

Anyway, you believe what you wanna believe. If that makes you happy. Beautiful. I don't care about ruining that for ya.

In the end, we both love the REmake in our own way. And thats what really matters.

[Smiley]

What you just described is pretty much what being campy is all about.

Star Wars has some campy aspects to it. It was based on the old serial adventures after all.

I'm not denying that Resident Evil could take some influence from those. But in the case of REmake the tone is serious horror. The actors are serious and in no way playing it off as cheesy. I've shown that the dialogue is tame compared to the series and the writing is toned down from its campy counterpart to be more direct.

This was a serious take on horror for the franchise and it worked so well it's become a fan favorite for a lot of gamers including yours truly. There's something you're apparently seeing that I cannot find. Because you say the script is not so good and that it's still cheesy. I wanted to know why, but you're having difficulty getting it across. So we may as well cut our losses and save some time. If you find any examples from the script to go with what you're talking about I'm more than willing to discuss them with you.

[Pikminister]

By saying that the script was "not too good", I was only implying that its not AAA grade material like it was sorta being implied here. But I can see how that comment could've been taken in a whole 'nother context.

Well, the script is mighty fine for a videogame script. Not totally formulaic or entirely original. But very, very unique in its own way. And the best thing is, the awkward/corny way it was written fits the whole b-movie vibe that I've been talking about here.

Definitely written better than the original script, no doubt. But then that was the whole point behind the project.

[Smiley]

By saying that the script was "not too good", I was only implying that its not AAA grade material like it was sorta being implied here. But I can see how that comment could've been taken in a whole 'nother context.

There's no other way behind it. You said it was just as cheesy. If anyone is taking a different context here it's you for bringing Shakespeare and Oscars into the mix and having a vague understanding about what's campy. You also made various comments in relation to the horror movies I watched as well as my standards on what's AAA material. All of which were not in any way essential to answering my question about the script.

Well, the script is mighty fine for a videogame script. Not totally formulaic or entirely original.

It's a remake of an earlier game. Why would you expect something entirely original?

Regardless, even as a remake they do plan things out differently in events to make you second-guess. So playing the original doesn't grant you full knowledge of everything that's in store. A point you complimented in a much earlier post.

But very, very unique in its own way. And the best thing is, the awkward/corny way it was written fits the whole b-movie vibe that I've been talking about here.

Which you have still yet to show...

Definitely written better than the original script, no doubt. But then that was the whole point behind the project.

Well that's progress on my part I guess. It isn't just as cheesy. It has improved on the original.

[Mrox2]

REmake Cheesy ? For what reason ?

RE1 + REmake FTW !! , i say best voice acting is in RE1

[Pikminister]

There's no other way behind it. You said it was just as cheesy. If anyone is taking a different context here it's you for bringing Shakespeare and Oscars into the mix and having a vague understanding about what's campy. You also made various comments in relation to the horror movies I watched as well as my standards on what's AAA material. All of which were not in any way essential to answering my question about the script.

I did say it was cheesy, dammit. LOL

Why is that even considered bad? Its YOU who thinks that a RE script having some cheese in it is a "bad" thing. Not me. And the reason I'm bringing up Shakespeare or the Oscars is because I'm having fun with your weird standards. When you try to make the point that there is no cheese in the REmake script, when there obviously is. Its corny and awkward in parts. Especially in their delivery by the actors.

It's a remake of an earlier game. Why would you expect something entirely original?

Wasn't talking about the game. I was talking about the script. And neither script (original and the remake's) wasn't entirely original. But they combined all those elements that they got from other sources. Thus making it into something better: a unique new take on an old concept.

Which you have still yet to show...

Don't have to. I've played the game and listened to the awkward way the actors deliver the lines. The sort of lines that a writer can type but that are hard to deliver by even the most talented actor/actress. I suspect you have played the game too. And yet you deny the REmake any of its cheesy qualities. Thus you obviously see things differently and there is no point at all bringing up anything from the script. Since you are already convinced there is no corny, cheesy lines in it. Practically every review of the game that mentions the dialogue/cutscenes will point out that the game still has some of that awkwardness that identified the original.

Well that's progress on my part I guess. It isn't just as cheesy. It has improved on the original.

Ah, "it isn't just as cheesy" you said... so you agree with me that it has some cheese in it!

Well then, there is no reason to keep this whole discussion going. The REmake has some cheesy stuff in it (not as much as the original). That's what I've been saying all along. Not as cheesy but still has some of that good stuff in it.

Finally we can go back to talking 'bout Revelations!

[Smiley]

All this drivel when you could have just said "Don't have to" and saved us the time? Disappointed. You don't have anything to back up your claim, and frankly now I don't care anymore why you think it's cheesy and awkward. So thanks for nothing.