Code Veronica, or Darkside Chronicles CVX?

[Alexia_Ashford]

I would like to shoot Steve in the face in any game. I'd forgotten how annoying he is until replaying CVX again now.

[News Bot]

Ya, but she wasn't JUST a mad scientist with a superiority complex in the original, she had different dimensions especially when you look at her relationship with her brother, in darkside she was JUST a mad scientist with a superiority complex.

Her relationship with her brother was thinking of him as "lower" and inept. That's about it haha. The only thing they really changed about their relationship was Alexia killing him in BHDC because they decided to ramp up her "inhumanity" and make her an annoying bitch while they were at it.

[Archelon]

Her relationship with her brother was thinking of him as "lower" and inept. That's about it haha.

Which is precisely why I have no problem with her killing him, but whatever.

[Alexia_Ashford]

Her relationship with her brother was thinking of him as "lower" and inept. That's about it haha.

Since when? She thought of everyone as lower than herself, but her whole life was spent with her brother, and everything in the original CVX suggests she did care about him. The video of the two together, the fact that she tried to murder Claire/Steve for killing her brother, she sat cradling him when he had just died (and presumably went back to a second time as she is seen doing that again with clothes on), and she stored his body in her cryo chamber strongly suggesting she would try to bring him back. He is the only person she's had close to her who she hasn't murdered/infected. Not sure what would make you think that tbh.

DSC Alexia was just boring, annoying and they ruined the back story behind the character. Just like "DMC" and the whole "angel" business.

[BeefWellington]

Code Veronica. But i must admit DSC CV let out more "insanity" like CV was originally intended to. But i hated Alexias voice in DSC. And no Wesker fight in DSC??? Not even a fucking cutscene??? Fuck off. No that one dialogue and tiny standing appearance at the end does not count. Not at all

[Wrathborne]

Code V, Darkside chronicles just had too much retcon.

[News Bot]

Since when? She thought of everyone as lower than herself, but her whole life was spent with her brother, and everything in the original CVX suggests she did care about him. The video of the two together, the fact that she tried to murder Claire/Steve for killing her brother, she sat cradling him when he had just died (and presumably went back to a second time as she is seen doing that again with clothes on), and she stored his body in her cryo chamber strongly suggesting she would try to bring him back. He is the only person she's had close to her who she hasn't murdered/infected. Not sure what would make you think that tbh.

DSC Alexia was just boring, annoying and they ruined the back story behind the character. Just like "DMC" and the whole "angel" business.

Since always, she was a cold-hearted human being and had no humanity. It's stated quite extensively in all CODE:Veronica-related material that she cared only about herself, and she had no particular love for her brother (or anyone for that matter). He was just another pawn for her and she very begrudgingly entrusted her own protection to him. Alfred himself was just in awe of her, but she returned no feelings. Cradling his corpse is more of a thank you. Stuffing it in that capsule meant nothing other than to move him.

But yes I agree with you about BHDC Alexia.

[PracticalAl]

CVX all the way, but I don't hate DSC. I love the revamped models and backgrounds, love the epic music, loved the kill house as it added more hilarious Alfred dialogue. Hated what they did to Alexia, though. What a shame. (They cut her hair. What the fuck was up with that?)

It's stated quite extensively in all CODE:Veronica-related material that she cared only about herself, and she had no particular love for her brother (or anyone for that matter).

You're breaking my tiny heart, News Bot.. Examples please.

[News Bot]

You're breaking my tiny heart, News Bot.. Examples please.

Well,

BIOHAZARD CODE:Veronica Kaitai Shinsho (pages 10, 218, 221)
biohazard archives
INSIDE OF BIOHAZARD THE DARKSIDE CHRONICLES

Certain I'm missing more but I don't have them on-hand to check. Simply put, there was no affection from Alexia in any form. She lacked the ability to feel any.

[PracticalAl]

Thanks NewsBot, I trust you and your sources. Damn. I just don't see why they would not only show her so affectionately stroking Alfred's hair, which seems like much more than just a mere thank you; but vengefully going after Steve and Claire. She could of just let them go, they were no threat to her, as they were on their way out of the base..

Oh well, I can accept it as canon, because I know you know your shit.. but I still like mine and Alexia_Ashford's version better. Haha, thanks again. ..

[Smiley]

The "Marcus" in BH0 is outright stated to be a "clone", it is the Queen Leech after merging with his DNA and taking on his memories. Completely separate being otherwise. Marcus died in 1988 and is still dead 10 years later.

Just so I have you on word for this.

Merged with his DNA. Has his memories and refers to himself like Marcus. A "clone" as you call him. Like some clones have never been referred to by the person they were cloned from before. Put quotes around ""Marcus"" all you'd like; people will still refer to the Final Fantasy reject as Marcus with or without your needless clarification. The characters in Zero never even address the queen leech until the transformation occurs. Till then all they had was "Spencer had me assassinated.... It took the T-virus inside of my Queen years to procreate my new life. I live." Speaking through Marcus.

I never would have thought a subject like this would get to you Mr. Bot.

I would like to shoot Steve in the face in any game. I'd forgotten how annoying he is until replaying CVX again now.

He's a dweeb, but give the guy some slack. A seventeen year-old whose mom was killed, spent time in prison and had to kill his zombie daddy. I'd say he's worthless but the kid turns out to be a pilot! That's a lot of heat for a geek like him.

Oh well, I can accept it as canon, because I know you know your shit.. but I still like mine and Alexia_Ashford's version better. Haha, thanks again. ..

It's always easy to pull snippets and take the context as is from your various source on a messy plot based series. Frankly you can look at the games and note what they depict. Alexia in Code Veronica had some affection for her brother. And if she was ever written to be otherwise then it's either a retcon (as Darkside would later do by having her kill Alfred) or a misrepresentation of how she truly felt. You and Alexia_Ashford made some very good points.

[News Bot]

Just so I have you on word for this.

Merged with his DNA. Has his memories and refers to himself like Marcus. A "clone" as you call him. Like some clones have never been referred to by the person they were cloned from before. Put quotes around ""Marcus"" all you'd like; people will still refer to the Final Fantasy reject as Marcus with or without your needless clarification. The characters in Zero never even address the queen leech until the transformation occurs. Till then all they had was "Spencer had me assassinated.... It took the T-virus inside of my Queen years to procreate my new life. I live." Speaking through Marcus.

I never would have thought a subject like this would get to you Mr. Bot.

Quoting the English script doesn't help your point. And again, I don't care if people call him Marcus. I'm simply stating a fact: it's the Queen Leech, not Marcus. There is no debate there at all.

After releasing the mimicry of young James Marcus, the Queen Leech turned into its original form. This creature is the queen which is the top of all the mutated leeches, ten years after being infected by the t-virus, the transfiguration ability of its body structure has reached an unthinkable level. The intelligence of this creature is very high, and it can use some methods (A kind of olfactory message with micro-chemicals is highly possible) to control the uncountable leeches as its soldiers. The thoughts and memories are from the murdered Dr. James Marcus, it is believed that this is a fusion phenomenon of the t-virus after the Queen Leech got into his corpse. However, rather than considering this as a human based life form, given the leech's DNA, another theory is more reasonable. Over many years, the Queen Leech could acquire the genetic information from the dead, so it turned into an intelligent creature which has the character of James Marcus. Because leeches are hermaphrodite, the name of "Queen" as the ruler of this population is only for convenience.

It typically takes the form of a young Dr. Marcus, but breaks this mold to become its first transfigured form. It possesses extremely high intelligence, and it thinks and acts just like Dr. Marcus, who was assassinated 10 years ago. It even has the ability to speak. This surprising phenomenon was made possible by the Queen Leech entering the remains of Dr. Marcus and merging with his DNA over such a long period of time.

In response to Mimicry Marcus imitating an older Dr. Marcus, the Queen Leech mimics Dr. Marcus in his twenties.

Ten years later, a biologically impossible phenomenon took place in the management training facility. The Queen Leech born from Dr. Marcus' experiments permanently molded itself to DNA taken from his remains, birthing his clone. The copy even reflected Dr. Marcus' will, and his desire for revenge on Spencer. However, the Queen Leech merely copied the mind of Dr. Marcus.

[Smiley]

Quoting the English script doesn't help your point. And again, I don't care if people call him Marcus. I'm simply stating a fact: it's the Queen Leech, not Marcus. There is no debate there at all.

Well that's what I'm kind of getting at News Bot. You even called him Marcus. You did just a while ago. Quotes or otherwise, you acknowledged how he was referred to despite pointlessly derailing the topic just to clarify otherwise. Since you already derailed it we might as well find out why you bothered since I acknowledged your point that it was also the Queen Leech? What's the problem?

[News Bot]

Well that's what I'm kind of getting at News Bot. You even called him Marcus. You did just a while ago. Quotes or otherwise, you acknowledged how he was referred to despite pointlessly derailing the topic just to clarify otherwise. Since you already derailed it we might as well find out why you bothered since I acknowledged your point that it was also the Queen Leech? What's the problem?

Quoting you calling it Marcus does not mean I myself called it Marcus. Do you understand the nature of a quote? There's no problem. I simply pointed out that it's not Marcus.

As for Alexia, it's very clear from the files that she has no affection for her brother. The scenes where she is holding him do indeed appear to indicate otherwise, but I would chalk this up to the cut-scene directors going against the intention of the scenario writers, since every other piece of material which references her states outright that she is a stone cold bitch who cares for absolutely nobody but herself and views herself as a "queen" with everyone, including her brother, being nothing more than her servants. Outside of those moments, she is straight into bitch mode and doesn't acknowledge Alfred again. BHDC portrays her better in this respect by acknowledging her more openly as a cold-blooded, soul-less monster, but messes up her character in every other way. They did the same with Annette (but that was a complete fuck-up).

[Smiley]

Quoting you calling it Marcus does not mean I myself called it Marcus. Do you understand the nature of a quote? There's no problem. I simply pointed out that it's not Marcus.

But why did you do so? Based on your argument you should have been referring to Marcus as the Queen Leech throughout yet you didn't. You used "Marcus" out of recognition for the character we were talking about. Even you are capable of knowing who I was referring to when I mentioned Marcus. I'm not arguing about the Queen Leech. You seem to have an issue with someone calling the mimicry the person whom it mimics. So again I need to ask: What is the problem?


Pictured above: A kid at a candy store.

As for Alexia, it's very clear from the files that she has no affection for her brother.

Code Veronica shows otherwise. You can love someone inept, but loyal.

The scenes where she is holding him do indeed appear to indicate otherwise, but I would chalk this up to the cut-scene directors going against the intention of the scenario writers, since every other piece of material which references her states outright that she is a stone cold bitch who cares for absolutely nobody but herself and views herself as a "queen" with everyone, including her brother, being nothing more than her servants.

Again, you can show love to some servants. Alfred just happened to be the most loyal and caring for her well being. He would have been her favorite once she became the idealized Queen. Chalk it up to whatever excuse you can pull from your list of cards, but the game itself acknowledges some love there no matter the reason behind it.