Code Veronica, or Darkside Chronicles CVX?

[News Bot]

You seem to have an issue with someone calling the mimicry the person whom it mimics.

Because it is wrong in virtually every way, probably. Organisms which mimic others still aren't the creatures they mimic. Referring to them as such is just dumb.

The game itself also says the t-virus existed 9 years before it did, and you seem to be eager to point out how much of a mess the plot is. Swings both ways. Alexia did not have a shred of humanity or care for anyone. This is a fact and was written into her character from the beginning. All we have here is two varying depictions and a conflict over your personal taste. I could bury you under a mountain of direct quotes, evidence and references again but I doubt that would do much.

EDIT: I'll make my position more clear. I go with "Alexia has no humanity". Neither BHCV or BHDC depict this properly. Until I see some sort of official reference or explanation for her supposed love for her brother (which, with the exception of corpse-cradling, is nowhere to be seen anywhere in general), I'm sticking with "she didn't give a fuck".

[Smiley]

Because it is wrong in virtually every way, probably. Organisms which mimic others still aren't the creatures they mimic. Referring to them as such is just dumb.

Why is that? From a character standpoint it makes sense for Ocelot to be referred to as Liquid even if Liquid died and it's all being mimicked. In 'The Thing' or a variety of body snatcher scenarios they still refer to characters by their names despite being taken by the organism in question. It separates a sense of character for the audience to understand. Even when it comes to clones the same sets of rules can apply unless you have another title they prefer to go by. They don't properly address Marcus as the Queen until the transformation.

I'm sorry to say that I don't see why it's a big deal. I've never heard of anyone butt hurt about calling the mimicry by the thing it's trying to mimic. From a narrative standpoint the young Marcus wasn't even realized as such until later in the game yet overlooked entirely for Umbrella Chronicles.

The game itself also says the t-virus existed 9 years before it did, and you seem to be eager to point out how much of a mess the plot is. Swings both ways. Alexia did not have a shred of humanity or care for anyone. This is a fact and was written into her character from the beginning. All we have here is two varying depictions and a conflict over your personal taste. I could bury you under a mountain of direct quotes, evidence and references again but I doubt that would do much.

It does swing both ways, but from a plot standpoint in this ridiculous series are you suggesting that her character is better off not having a shred of affection for her brother after all these years? Hardly. Sometimes the game can bring out strength in one thing and a problem in another.

As far as the villains in this series are concerned, all of them have their strengths and faults. Now I've analyzed this with a number of scientists in the field of virology and we've come up with a scale to determine who the most caring villain is. You may be surprised to find out who:
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EDIT: I'll make my position more clear. I go with "Alexia has no humanity". Neither BHCV or BHDC depict this properly. Until I see some sort of official reference or explanation for her supposed love for her brother (which, with the exception of corpse-cradling, is nowhere to be seen anywhere in general), I'm sticking with "she didn't give a fuck".

Neither game depict this properly yet the source material should always come from the games themselves. In a messy series you can only take what the game offers and a lot of the times you have to look at what's going on and why. I already explained the difference in tone and character between the two out of the same plot from two different types of games. If you have a problem accepting one over another or either then that's on you.

[News Bot]

Why is that? From a character standpoint it makes sense for Ocelot to be referred to as Liquid even if Liquid died and it's all being mimicked. In 'The Thing' or a variety of body snatcher scenarios they still refer to characters by their names despite being taken by the organism in question. It separates a sense of character for the audience to understand. Even when it comes to clones the same sets of rules can apply unless you have another title they prefer to go by. They don't properly address Marcus as the Queen until the transformation.

I'm sorry to say that I don't see why it's a big deal. I've never heard of anyone butt hurt about calling the mimicry by the thing it's trying to mimic. From a narrative standpoint the young Marcus wasn't even realized as such until later in the game yet overlooked entirely for Umbrella Chronicles.

It does swing both ways, but from a plot standpoint in this ridiculous series are you suggesting that her character is better off not having a shred of affection for her brother after all these years? Hardly. Sometimes the game can bring out strength in one thing and a problem in another.

As far as the villains in this series are concerned, all of them have their strengths and faults. Now I've analyzed this with a number of scientists in the field of virology and we've come up with a scale to determine who the most caring villain is. You may be surprised to find out who:
Spoiler:

show spoiler

Neither game depict this properly yet the source material should always come from the games themselves. In a messy series you can only take what the game offers and a lot of the times you have to look at what's going on and why. I already explained the difference in tone and character between the two out of the same plot from two different types of games. If you have a problem accepting one over another or either then that's on you.

In MGS2/4, a man is pretending to be another man in the most retarded plot imaginable and it is a series which can't even get gender right and constantly flip-flops on explanations ("HE'S POSSESSED! HE'S NOT POSSESSED! HE WAS POSSESSED NOW HE ISN'T!"). Just because others do not stick to being correct does not mean that it should be referred to as Marcus, it's still factually wrong no matter how you try and cut it. There is no big deal here, that is the only point I'm trying to make. You keep coming back to it.

I'll reiterate this, Alexia's character is one which does not love or care. It lacks the ability. You're basing the opposite on very flimsy evidence. That's all.

Anyway, we're done here. You haven't brought any variation in argument to the table.

[Vito]

In MGS2/4, a man is pretending to be another man in the most retarded plot imaginable and it is a series which can't even get gender right and constantly flip-flops on explanations ("HE'S POSSESSED! HE'S NOT POSSESSED! HE WAS POSSESSED NOW HE ISN'T!"). Just because others do not stick to being correct does not mean that it should be referred to as Marcus, it's still factually wrong no matter how you try and cut it. There is no big deal here, that is the only point I'm trying to make. You keep coming back to it.

I'll reiterate this, Alexia's character is one which does not love or care. It lacks the ability. You're basing the opposite on very flimsy evidence. That's all.

Anyway, we're done here. You haven't brought any variation in argument to the table.

Wrong, He actually truely belived he was Liquid.

[News Bot]

Wrong, He actually truely belived he was Liquid.

Yeah, the power of suggestion and all that. Still mimicking and not biologically Liquid. The "database" contradicts it though.

[VictoriaScarlet]

I would say its un fair to compair these to games after all one is the propper game the other is a rail shooter adaption with slightly better graphics, while i'll admit in darkside they did cut wesker almost completely out of the scenerio and changed a few things here and there, a rail shooter is nevver going to compair to the game it was adapted from. I also say to be honest I found Wesker incredibly anoying aswell as steve in the original. Steve for being whinny and anoying and Wesker for the voice acting his lauph just pissed me off so much becouse it was so wooden and horrible so im glad they cut that out for darkside. but im dissapointed you didnt get the chris vs wesker fight it was one of my fav scene the one where chris knocks off weskers glassess and saw what wesker had become was such an important sccene to me so while i love both games I would have to say the original CODE Veronica is always going to win but both games have there merits.

[Alexia_Ashford]

I'll reiterate this, Alexia's character is one which does not love or care. It lacks the ability. You're basing the opposite on very flimsy evidence. That's all.

What 'evidence' are you using to support your point? All you've done is quote some random reference number and not actually told us what it says. I don't know what makes you so sure she lacks the ability when we see very little of her in the game yet what we do see would suggest otherwise. Most of her files are relevant to the virus and the game, she does not have to say "I love my brother". You don't have to flat out say something in order to feel it. There is a video where they sit together, then look into each others eyes at very close range. Claire/Steve murdered her brother, Claire was captured and Steve turned into a mutant just after she had woken because of her brother's death - she had no idea who these people were, just a dead Alfred and a TV screen showing two people leaving the base. She then cradled her dead brother's body, not once, TWICE. Then, rather than just leaving him there, she stood him up right in her cryochamber, preserving his body. This is from the game, which is the best evidence of all. Just because she does not categorically say "I love my brother", with all of the evidence to suggest that she does, it would seem a bit silly to completely ignore it.

[News Bot]

What 'evidence' are you using to support your point? All you've done is quote some random reference number and not actually told us what it says. I don't know what makes you so sure she lacks the ability when we see very little of her in the game yet what we do see would suggest otherwise. Most of her files are relevant to the virus and the game, she does not have to say "I love my brother". You don't have to flat out say something in order to feel it. There is a video where they sit together, then look into each others eyes at very close range. Claire/Steve murdered her brother, Claire was captured and Steve turned into a mutant just after she had woken because of her brother's death - she had no idea who these people were, just a dead Alfred and a TV screen showing two people leaving the base. She then cradled her dead brother's body, not once, TWICE. Then, rather than just leaving him there, she stood him up right in her cryochamber, preserving his body. This is from the game, which is the best evidence of all. Just because she does not categorically say "I love my brother", with all of the evidence to suggest that she does, it would seem a bit silly to completely ignore it.

I could post scans, but undoubtedly you'll still say "evidence?" because they're Japanese. Claire and Steve were captured for Alexia's own purposes, to test the t-Veronica virus that had been adapting to her on an non-adapted subject. Not in relation to her brother's death. And in regards to her putting his corpse in her capsule, that's all she did. Put his corpse in a capsule. Alexia was preserved in fluid. Alfred was just stuffed inside an empty capsule, not activated whatsoever with no fluid or freezing on. Assuming she was going to revive him (impossible) is jumping the gun.

[PracticalAl]

And in regards to her putting his corpse in her capsule, that's all she did. Put his corpse in a capsule. Alexia was preserved in fluid. Alfred was just stuffed inside an empty capsule, not activated whatsoever with no fluid or freezing on. Assuming she was going to revive him (impossible) is jumping the gun.

She put him in there to protect his body from infection, so he could have a proper burial! Obviously what a loving sister would do! (Just pulling your chain, haha..)

..That.. Or she wanted to test the T-Veronica virus on him too.. >__>..

[News Bot]

She put him in there to protect his body from infection, so he could have a proper burial! Obviously what a loving sister would do! (Just pulling your chain, haha..)

..That.. Or she wanted to test the T-Veronica virus on him too.. >__>..

Well she probably could have wanted to test it on him too... but the viruses do not revive the dead (the graveyard zombies in CV and BH3 were buried after being infected). The only virus even hinted at being able to revive is the G-Virus, and I don't think it can revive corpses, just revitalize cells (since it forms a completely new organism in general).

So yeah, he wasn't of much use.

[Alexia_Ashford]

She already knew what T-Veronica did to a non-adapted subject when she tested it on Alexander. It's jumping the gun a little as well to say she didn't have any feelings towards Alfred and is incapable of feeling anything with no evidence to support it. Psychopaths do not understand sympathy or normal human reactions, and often enjoy acting in socially unacceptable and malicious ways, they don't sit cradling the dead - they'd be indifferent or amused. There was no fluid, but we don't know if it was on or not. It was sealed. There's no real technical information on how her stasis chamber worked, but she wasn't frozen when she was released from her chamber and if it was liquid nitrogen she would have been frozen solid. It seemed to act like water more than anything else.

Still splitting hairs though, she cradled his dead body, put his body somewhere safe and there is a video of them staring into eachother's eyes. Plus the fact that they spent their entire childhood together and although she has no problem with murdering people, he didn't end up dead. She needed him to look after her while she slept, but it was a while before she developed the T-Veronica virus and knew it needed to adapt over time, she could have killed him a lot sooner or tested the virus on him. She also teamed up with Alfred to capture Alexander and inject him, she didn't test it on Alfred which would have been the easiest option.

I'm sure Alexia could have brought him back somehow, she was the smartest that it was humanly possible to be. I've seen weirder shit in the RE universe.

[News Bot]

She wanted to try the mutated strain extracted from her body after forming a symbiosis with it. Only the prototype strain was used on Alexander. That's why Nosferatu is quite a bit different from Monster Steve and the Jabberwock S3.

Maybe there were some feelings that resulted from their childhood (which was spent entirely together alone for years in the South Pole Base), it's quite possible she simply saw him as a loyal "soldier ant" but still cared somewhat as a result. Nothing much deeper than that, though. And I'll reiterate, she just stuffed him inside a capsule. Nothing beyond that.

[Alexia_Ashford]

Maybe there were some feelings that resulted from their childhood (which was spent entirely together alone for years in the South Pole Base), it's quite possible she simply saw him as a loyal "soldier ant" but still cared somewhat as a result.

I'll settle for that .

[News Bot]

I'll settle for that .

Yes, my entire point was just that she did not see him in a brotherly fashion. Just another servant, although one extremely loyal. No love involved.

[Alexia_Ashford]

And mine that she did care. Not necessarily loving him loads and being BFFs, but she did care for him - not nothing at all and incapable of feeling anything whatsoever. That would make her very boring.