Resident Evil 6

[Member_of_STARS]

I'm having issues figuring out what CoD4 actually did right, other than finally steering away from the stagnating WWII setting (is that revolutionizing?), brushing up its graphis ("pretty" revolutionizing?) and also proving that massive hype/marketing can sell something to just about anyone (revolutionizing the marketing push ...?)

In terms of what COD had become in the FPS market, going modern was a huge step. But not because of the setting alone, going modern allowed the developers to utilize a shitload of creative freedom, expand on options and gameplay, which they did. COD4 can be compared to Half Life. From one side, you can look at it as a game which didn't create anything "brand new", as many people just *love* to point out when they try to prove their taste is better just because they like things noone does, for the sake of it. Anyway, perks were done before, usually known by "loadout" (mhm), weapon attachments aswell, the list goes on. Throwing all of those new (to COD) aspects into a COD game, yet still keeping the feel and flow 100% COD, is what made the game revolutionizing. Amidst all the franchises with identity crysis', COD in 2007 was one of the few which changed and improved tremendously, without sacrificing anything it was built on.
Level design and balance, gametype balance, weapon balance, moddability, amazingly reliable netcode, and then a shitton variables thrown in, without breaking any of those.

As for marketing, COD4 was seriously modest compared to some of its competitors, and certainly a blip on the radar compared to what MW2 and even the first Black Ops did. You seem to be a bit confused with this one, but considering this happened 5 years ago and the game probably never interested you past the rather simplistic SP (even though it just reeks of Clancy meets Bay, it still has more substance than a whole bunch of celebrated titles in 2007 and beyond)

The end result? Majority of COD fans take COD4 as a valid sequel, sinking as many hours into the game as was done with the predecessors. It achieved everything RE4 did, without ripping the community apart.

If you're having issues with figuring out what the game did right, then you appear to have been out of the loop, there are limited to no technical flaws with the game with the exception of not having been able to cater to every conceivable colour on the taste pallet.

Is it a bad game? Not really. I think RE6 can be used as a prime example of what's basically WRONG with the current day review system. You know, where a game is either a 10/10 top or a total flop. While no one could probably justify giving it a top score, you'd have a lot of explaining to do if you gave it a notably low score; considering all the stuff you're likely to've previously given a better score.

It has to do with expectations. With the flow of information, games becoming a consumer item with as much value as a banana, you can easily expect the whole scale to bog down to "yay" or "nay". People have much more to compare the game to, and they have a lot more options if the game is not satisfactory. And if the game, part of a franchise sailing on the praise boat for the past 7 years, does not deliver, one would be smart to take off the fanboy shades and see things in a broader view. An AAA title in modern days has serious flaws if it doesn't receive uniformal praise.

Hey, Chimera. Not dead, just wanted to drop in to see if there's discushin' around RE6.

[Carnivol]

In short, here's what CoD4 essentially did; Took UT/Q3 and brought it down to earth. (As for being out of the loop; at that point in time - I was pretty much sitting at the center of it.)

As for RE6; it's doing exactly the same as Capcom's been doing with a lot of other games lately (sadly without the same acceptance other devs and titles have managed to achieve with similar approaches to messing with the trends/genres). This basically boils down to the expecations thing, as you mentioned. People want to be able to easily categorize things. If they can't; they're confused. They don't have time to learn and they don't want to learn. Would you like to have to retake your driving lessons every time you wanted to use a new/different car?

Subject of interest on the front of people and their inability to face challenges would be the recent dev talk about the focus testing of Dishonored. People literally just putting down the controller 'cause the game didn't hold their hands and tell 'em what to do and people not doing specific things 'cause someone in the game told them not to. Sheep.

Anyway, the funny thing about modern day game reviews is that you often find the more positive reviews of non-traditional games within non-gaming publications that don't really do a whole lot of game stuff. Are the people easily impressed? I don't think that's it. I think it's just that they're not as biased or affected as much by the whole "This is good/bad, 'cause that guy says so" and thus more likely to actually form their own opinion on it. +Them not burning through several "generic" games a week makes them more likely to actually invest some time into a "new challenge" and also tend to find it interesting to try out new/different things - rather than just expecting their next "shooter" to be a glorified mission pack to whatever they're usually playing.

[ValentineLover]

But let's face it, there were a lot of expectations - and Capcom did their share of building them up.

You posted Bloody Mary in a thread once, so I guess you heard Born This Way the album. Same situation without the critical acclaim

[shanemurphy]

Medal of Honor inspired COD, it's sad to see Call of Duty claim so much then it was Medal of Honor who actually evolved the genre.

[HOTvirus]

And heres your RE producer response to all critcism

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-10-02-capcom-resident-evil-dev-and-fan-disagreement-over-series-future-is-like-two-parents-arguing-about-raising-a-child

I think it's time to do a divorse! Lol
In resume: they just said give a shit for what we want and what we think for series, they still arrogant and egocentric for do not accept a fact: fans (in this case, mom, us) knows better.

[Tyrant Rose]

"We do listen to the fans but we can't be beholden to them at every turn or I don't think we'll ever make progress in terms of the series' development."

Translation: fuck you, we do what we want.

Peruse just about any RE fan forum (like this one) and you'll find better ideas for gameplay, plot and character development than what Capcom comes up with.

[Wrathborne]

Series needs to be rebooted. Sorry newsbot, I know you're against this and you love archiving everything and keeping up with the series when new stuff comes out...but its time they went back to raccoon city and went back to the original games premise, start off small and rebuild.

Capcom doesn't have what it takes to keep the series special anymore, the story choices they keep making prove that.

The could do an amazing remake of the original game, even better than the 2004 GC game if they started over and went back to the series roots.

There is still an incredible amount of potential with this setting and a chance to add more depth to the series with a clean slate, rather than the continuous mediocre sequels that just dont seem to stop .

[ValentineLover]

Ermmm, but they did listen. They listened hard this time tbh

[ChuckthePlant]

Series needs to be rebooted.

It's generally accepted that the franchise has been run deep into the ground by both the films and what Capcom is doing themselves, right? Ever since CV, we've been going in this direction of superhuman and over the top action movie fluff that has progressively worsened with each sequel. They've retconned plot pieces and revamped looks of characters with each of the last few titles to the point where characters are unrecognizable from their origin. With Mikami having been out of the picture since 4, it seems Capcom has no shame in what they're doing anymore. So, I don't think they'll step back and take a breath to bother with honoring the series in a reboot. They're too arrogant now. RE6 just seemed like they were saying "we can make a game like this, too."

Since it's being panned by critics, I doubt they'll go back to the old roots without trying to take a shot at this type of game again. Especially since they re-invented the wheel with such success in RE4.

If they did start over, though, the reboot would mean the old games in the style of 5 and 6. Would you really want to see Chris Redfield punching boulders in the RE1 courtyard? It's arguable that none of the creative decisions Capcom has made this generation - for any of their franchises - have been wise. I'd rather just have them put the series to rest, but we know that won't happen.

I have no faith in them being able to pull off another REmake. Maybe if we had the return of Mikami to the development team, they MIGHT be able to do it. Maybe if 1.5 was leaked and there was LOTS of hype around it (you know it wouldn't get lots of hype, though) Capcom would take their heads out of their butts. Maybe if there was an industry crash..

..or maybe, just maybe, if game critics and fans alike really do start admitting and being more vocal about being sick of playing these same types of boring games. Maybe then the world of survival horror can rise from it's grave.

[News Bot]

Maybe if we had the return of Mikami to the development team, they MIGHT be able to do it.

Why? The only reason REmake was good is because BH1 was the only game he actually worked on, and he openly stated he didn't like BH2.

[Dracarys]

Medal of Honor inspired COD, it's sad to see Call of Duty claim so much then it was Medal of Honor who actually evolved the genre.

Considering the makers of the best MoH game formed Infinity Ward, I say it is fair.

[Wrathborne]

Why? The only reason REmake was good is because BH1 was the only game he actually worked on, and he openly stated he didn't like BH2.

In his defense BH2 DOES introduce Ada Wong, the worlds worst spy .

He worked on RE4 which was a fun side story. Hammyness aside it breathed some new life into the series that it needed.

[News Bot]

Even so, that's BH4. And with that he was only fulfilling his dream of doing a Die Hard-esque action thriller, only with some monsters and midgets thrown in the mix.

Q. If you could design the game of your dreams, what would it be?

I have always wanted to create an action-style game, to become like a real Bruce Willis, to become an action hero; I'd love to do that in a game. One of my all-time favourite movies is the Die Hard series, and this is the kind of game I would love to make.

[Wrathborne]

Even so, that's BH4. And with that he was only fulfilling his dream of doing a Die Hard-esque action thriller, only with some monsters and midgets thrown in the mix.

He mostly succeeded. If he had more horror mixed through out the game it would have definitely fit in with the earlier games more.

[News Bot]

Yeah, pretty much. Still, bringing him back would do absolutely dick for a remake. He'd be just as inclined to skewer the original vision as the new development team would.