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Do you think Ada Wong is truly evil or secretly good?
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More like many people see deadly virus/parasites being preserved by her instead of destroyed and regardless of the excuse she has for doing this, this is not something a good character does. The ends do not justify the means.
And you cannot blame translation for that.Beanovsky Durst - "They are not pervs. They are japanese."
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Originally posted by Dracarys View PostMore like many people see deadly virus/parasites being preserved by her instead of destroyed and regardless of the excuse she has for doing this, this is not something a good character does. The ends do not justify the means.
And you cannot blame translation for that.
I can blame translation for it still since Ada herself directly states in the game that her goals are good, right there in the script. This is corroborated by several pieces of supplemental material, as well as Leon himself.Last edited by News Bot; 05-31-2012, 03:23 PM.PROJECT Umbrella - The BIOHAZARD/RESIDENT EVIL Compendium
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Originally posted by News Bot View PostWhat evil means did Ada use at any point during BH4? The only sample Ada ever recovers for her own reasons, after she became "good" following BH2, was the dominant species Plaga, and so far, the only reason given is that her organization wanted to study it (the same reason scientists bother studying viruses and organisms to begin with, are they all evil too?). At the same time, we know for a fact that her organization's motives aren't the same as Wesker's.
I can blame translation for it still since Ada herself directly states in the game that her goals are good, right there in the script. This is corroborated by several pieces of supplemental material, as well as Leon himself.sigpic
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If she genuinely is evil in BH6, I won't mind as long as they explain the clear-cut contradiction in her character. If it's just a retcon for the sake of DRAMA LOL then it's just awful and I'll have to work with it regardless of whether I like it or not. Not saying it won't be good, just that it's already been clearly established that Ada is a good, albeit vague and mysterious character.PROJECT Umbrella - The BIOHAZARD/RESIDENT EVIL Compendium
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Originally posted by News Bot View PostIf she genuinely is evil in BH6, I won't mind as long as they explain the clear-cut contradiction in her character. If it's just a retcon for the sake of DRAMA LOL then it's just awful and I'll have to work with it regardless of whether I like it or not. Not saying it won't be good, just that it's already been clearly established that Ada is a good, albeit vague and mysterious character.sigpic
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Originally posted by Darkmoon View PostIt actually says she's good? Or that she considers what she's doing good? Because the second is a very different thing.PROJECT Umbrella - The BIOHAZARD/RESIDENT EVIL Compendium
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Ada stole the modified Las Plagas sample. And again, there remained the existence of a strain capable of giving birth to another one like Saddler. However, Leon was not disappointed. He felt that the probability was low of a worst-case scenario arising from what she took. He believed in his heart that Ada's motives were different than those of Wesker."I don't do evil." Just as her words described, Ada delivered a simple Subordinate Plaga strain to The Third Organization and sent the real strain to a different 'Organization', the one she actually belongs to. In other words, Ada was 'a double agent.' She was working for a seperate organization the whole time and her alliance with Wesker was just a facade.PROJECT Umbrella - The BIOHAZARD/RESIDENT EVIL Compendium
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None of that actually says anything. Leon's opinion means diddly...again, professional spy who is likely trained to manipulate people's feelings. And just because Ada feels giving the Master Plagas sample to her organization isn't evil doesn't mean it isn't - to invoke Godwin's, most nazis thought they were doing the right thing. Since we have no idea what they wanted it for and if she knows what it is (as far as I know, we know neither)
Ada's report also doesn't really say much...about the best you can say is she chose Luis Sera because of his humanity. That doesn't really swing her good or evil. It could mean she thinks he'll be easier to manipulate, although it probably doesn't.
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When a source says outright that she isn't evil and justifies her actions, chances are, she isn't evil. Ada's Report and Separate Ways in general say quite a lot. Why would an evil character ride off into the sunset, something which only occurs for the series protagonists? Also, Luis found Ada to be good enough to request her to take him into custody after she told him who she really was. He's not the type to forward evil agendas.
It also doesn't make any sense for Ada to chastise every other evil character in the series if she ends up doing the exact same things.
To be fair, without knowing the nature of her organization, it is difficult to tell. But so far, nothing points to her being malevolent. On the other hand, virtually everything points to her being benevolent. Her words, actions and other characters' opinions of her heavily imply that she is good. Being mysterious due to being a spy does not really change that. She hasn't murdered a single person in the series thus far, suddenly she murders thousands?PROJECT Umbrella - The BIOHAZARD/RESIDENT EVIL Compendium
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None of those sources said that she isn't evil. She claimed she wasn't. But we don't know for sure she isn't deluded. Leon thought she wasn't. None actually said it. Wesker didn't wake up each morning and check things off his list of Evil for the Day. I seem to recall it being mentioned quite recently Birkin's goal was to improve the human race, and he killed and mutated how many to do that? Again, I doubt he considered himself evil.
As for Luis...this is the same Luis who thought that researching brain controlling parasites was a good plan? As I recall even when the Ganados started showing up he didn't stop, he just felt ashamed. I'm not sure I'd trust his judgement either.
I'm not saying she is evil, or isn't. I'm just saying those sources are not definitive. At best, the tone suggests she's not evil. But it's certainly not the be all and end all. At least, not so far.
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Thing is, they do.
"I don't do evil." Just as her words described
Luis thought researching brain controlling parasites was a good idea. Because he is a scientist. That is what scientists do. Are scientists evil just because they study deadly viruses and such? They often develop countermeasures. Which is... exactly what Luis did. He developed drugs to slow the parasite's growth and assimilation to a host, and also a device to remove them altogether. He felt ashamed because he didn't do anything to actively stop Saddler because he was too fascinated by the parasite to notice what the cult were doing secretly.PROJECT Umbrella - The BIOHAZARD/RESIDENT EVIL Compendium
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Wesker stood by what he thought was best and said he wasn't destroying the world, but saving it. So if we're going by the sources opinionated response then it's questionable and not definitive. If she could change between RE2 and RE4 then she very well can by the time RE6 comes around.
And are we talking sun rise or sun set? Either way antagonists and protagonists have done both. As far as the old "sunrise" ending goes HUNK and Sergei were some prime examples. Krauser with his wonderful commentary. Wesker didn't even need an actual ride in UC he just hopped the rest of the way I guess, but still looked towards a brighter tomorrow.
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