Biohazard 2 Beta 1 (Very first beta)

[doriantoki]

True, but a lot more changed alongside that. The characters in retail 2 shoot much slower, and Leon especially, is ridiculously slow with the upgraded shotgun and magnum. With the amount of zombies on-screen at times in 1.5, it seems the extra fire power was needed. And I don't really understand the redundant point, as you could just bench one gun type in the item box, if you wanted, and it wouldn't take up any extra space. The one time use weapons (tazer/smg) in retail 2 seemed like a bigger waste, IMO.

[biohazard_star]

Maybe redundant isn't the best way to put it. I guess what I'm trying to say is, the amount of weapons you get to pick up was all over the place. With how short RE games are, you'd basically be picking up a new gun and benching an old one every hour or so. I guess it fits with 1.5's action theme (like Dino Crisis 2), but it doesn't with retail's survival horror theme. As for the one-time use weapons in RE2, it's not like 1.5 didn't also have them (MC51, Mac-10, Flamethrower).

[doriantoki]

They had magazine clips and fuel canisters, as we saw. In retail, they were more or less entirely one use. I don't count the SMG, as yes you can get two, but getting the second one requires jumping through many hoops, and you get it so late that it isn't really worth it.

[biohazard_star]

There are no SMG clips in 1.5. Both machine guns are one-time use deals. The flamethrower in 1.5 was also a late-game weapon (before Birkin warehouse fight), so I doubt you get to pick up more than one refill for it. Lastly, ammo for the one-time use weapons (SMG/Flamethrower/Sparkshot) in retail do exist, they just never got implemented.

[Rombie]

My hazy old memory mught be wrong but i an fairly certain Ammo for the SMG is. I am sure I remember that If you pick up the SMG in the B game then when you unlock the space with second SMG it has ammo instead of the second gun. of course I probably haven't played that like that for a decade so I could be wrong.

[yurieu]

My hazy old memory mught be wrong but i an fairly certain Ammo for the SMG is. I am sure I remember that If you pick up the SMG in the B game then when you unlock the space with second SMG it has ammo instead of the second gun. of course I probably haven't played that like that for a decade so I could be wrong.

of course! i think if u pick the SMG in weapon storage room, there is smg clip in the game. in the crazy wreck laboratory, the dead soldie holds a SMG clip.

[doriantoki]

That's really what I meant about getting the "second one". Of course, if you already had it, you'd get a clip instead.

[Rombie]

Yeah I was replying to biohazard_star's comment about the ammo being pulled from retail. The other two were but the SMG wasn't based on your actions. I surprised myself today in actually remembering that. LOL

[ANDYARKLAY]

This turned in the nice thread - i saw all the stuff here(i extracted all backgrounds from many isos) but i never tried to compare so many of them.
I don't understand some moments:
ok you can see the date of .bss file which contains few parts of same map
But is it possible to find out the date of each different part of map? Which program do devs used to assemble .bs from "parts"?

Also i don't understand another thing - devs says that they lost 1.5 source code and all files and that only collectors may have the game, after that we can extract such stuff from different versions of re2 and...even in re3(!) versions after they should be lost for sure and somehow they made re2/re3 for GC(using the lost code i guess) - does it means that they still have lots of nonfinal(probably not 1.5) files?

[doriantoki]

I am not sure what you are asking about the source code? AFAIK, the earliest version of 1.5 was using the RE1 engine. When the development on RE2 as we know it began, it seems that they started using either an entirely new engine, or a heavily modified 1.5 engine, which in turn, was a modified RE1 engine. The assets, separate from the source code, such as backgrounds, 3D models and textures, may have and probably were, imported between all game engines. As RE2 was being developed, it seems old assets, such as the backgrounds, were deleted or overridden, as they were no longer required, or were taking up too much space on the disc.

[Guest]

I am not sure what you are asking about the source code? AFAIK, the earliest version of 1.5 was using the RE1 engine. When the development on RE2 as we know it began, it seems that they started using either an entirely new engine, or a heavily modified 1.5 engine, which in turn, was a modified RE1 engine. The assets, separate from the source code, such as backgrounds, 3D models and textures, may have and probably were, imported between all game engines. As RE2 was being developed, it seems old assets, such as the backgrounds, were deleted or overridden, as they were no longer required, or were taking up too much space on the disc.

RE1 and RE2 are very similar actually undernieth it all, there's a few bugs which exist in both games regardless of whatever tweaks they made so its deffinately not new code. It's either that or despite however they coded the engine they built it in the same way resulting in the same behaviour.

[Gemini]

CAPCOM used the very same RE-style engine for the entire 32 bit era, tweaking bits and adding stuff as they created each and every new game. Code Veronica was likely to be using a branch of the RE2 engine, which also Dino Crisis did, same for RE0 N64, and the Onimusha prototype. Pretty much all of Mikami's 32 bit projects used the same base.

[Guest]

The main similarity is the flag system, the way the game handles scenarios, cutscenes, game progress, object interaction and the likes is virtually identical. You can look at bahaviour in one flag system and make accurate predictions in another, that's how similar they are.

[Guest]

They had magazine clips and fuel canisters, as we saw. In retail, they were more or less entirely one use. I don't count the SMG, as yes you can get two, but getting the second one requires jumping through many hoops, and you get it so late that it isn't really worth it.

You can even use quite a few of these items, i was able to reload the flamethrower using the canister.

[ANDYARKLAY]

As RE2 was being developed, it seems old assets, such as the backgrounds, were deleted or overridden, as they were no longer required, or were taking up too much space on the disc.

But at the same time by some reason we can find backgrounds with Kendo in chief room and zombie on the table in bh3.
From one side you say they were deleted from other side you extract them from bh3 iso.