New Darkside Chronicles info from GameInformer

[Archelon]

Or, some people just hate Leon for being the unintentionally hilarious douchebag that he turned into post-RE2.

But seeing as you like to dress up as him and take thousands of pictures in various video game stances, I'd expect you to instead be biased toward him and thus feel that you are elevated above the horrible folks who are tired of seeing the piss poor character.

I mean, in the last 5 years, he's been in RE4, Degeneration, AND will be featured prominently in DSC.

Oversaturation of a dumb character. It's quite simple, really.

It's kind of funny that you accuse me of elevating myself above others who disagree with me when so many of your arguments (this one included) devolve into insulting the other person's character, tastes, and/or hobbies.

Besides, so what if I like Leon?

I'm not a huge fan of Chris or Jill, and yet you didn't see me complaining about them starring in two back-to-back games.

[Rombie]

I expect this to be set just around the time of Code Veronica... during 1999 at least. Rockfort was already off the coast of South America anyway... I expect they'll try to tie this to the events after CV.

[Stars1356]

I'm kind of worried about the "retelling of RE 2" and hope that isn't code for piss poor quickly done remake of my favorite game. The new senerio sounds promising and hope they can make it important to the story. How about playing as Leon and Krauser and at they end Krauser supossely dies.

[UBCS]

I want to see some big ass drooling lickers in the police station.
not like the puppy lickers in UC

[cvxfreak]

Okay...a few characters being in an ensemble game (UC) and RE5 is comparable to one character being in the longest RE game (4), a feature length CGI film, AND an upcoming ensemble game (DSC)? Huh?

The amount of time that passed between RE4 and Degeneration was similar to the amount of time that passed between RE1 and RECV (around 4 years), believe it or not.

Jill waited a little over 3.5 years to return in RE3 after starring in RE1, and then it took her a little under 8 years to return. Claire waited nearly two years, then waited another 8 years before returning.

Chris, Jill and Wesker's major games were back to back, so you'd be hypocritical to put Leon in an unfair light. It's only the gap between Degeneration and Darkside Chronicles where you can even argue that Leon is oversaturated, but then again, so would Claire.

It comes down to Leon having the longest wait time since his initial game (~6 years), while the other three were around for a few games in the early years. Leon's frequency of appearance in the series is not unusual.

If anything, Chris and Wesker are easily overexposed since CV's going to be featured in DSC.

[Jill's Boob]

It's kind of funny that you accuse me of elevating myself above others who disagree with me when so many of your arguments (this one included) devolve into insulting the other person's character, tastes, and/or hobbies.

Me using something established to emphasize that you like Leon sure is a great example of devolving to the level of insults! Shame on me!

And good for you that you like Leon! Yet you act like people who dislike him are some sort of evil breed who are illogical or just plain awful people. You sure didn't hesitate to jump right onto JillLover's comment, yet in your mind there is no offense on your part. I mean, you didn't "devolve" to characterize anti-Leon commenters as people who are prone to stereotyping.

But you should be happy, since Leon is obviously taking over the spotlight for this franchise. He was in RE4, Degeneration, the upcoming DSC, and I have no doubt that he will be the star of RE6 (if it is made).

Good for you!

The amount of time that passed between RE4 and Degeneration was similar to the amount of time that passed between RE1 and RECV (around 4 years), believe it or not.

Jill waited a little over 3.5 years to return in RE3 after starring in RE1, and then it took her a little under 8 years to return. Claire waited nearly two years, then waited another 8 years before returning.

Chris, Jill and Wesker's major games were back to back, so you'd be hypocritical to put Leon in an unfair light. It's only the gap between Degeneration and Darkside Chronicles where you can even argue that Leon is oversaturated, but then again, so would Claire.

It comes down to Leon having the longest wait time since his initial game (~6 years), while the other three were around for a few games in the early years. Leon's frequency of appearance in the series is not unusual.

If anything, Chris and Wesker are easily overexposed since CV's going to be featured in DSC.

Pulling all sorts of numbers is fine, but then why not count RE: Gaiden? And then, do you also consider REmake? What about REUC...how does that factor in, exactly? I mean, most of the scenarios are just rehashes. But then there's the Russian campaign, and that's new, so I guess we count it, much like we count the new Leon campaign in DSC.

The fact of the matter is that Leon is oversaturated. Just look at the span from RE2 --> RE4. Leon was an afterthought during those years (except for Gaiden, which most people disregard). Then RE4 hits, and wham - Leon all the sudden pops up again in Degeneration a few years later, and will now feature prominently in DSC. And I'll take bets on him starring in RE6. The only comparable character to make repeated appearances in a similar window is Wesker, but most of his appearances were minimal.

With Leon, we're talking about a main character who gets lots of screentime repeatedly making an appearance in the span from 2004 - 2009. Jill and Chris disappeared after RE3 and RECV for a span of 7 and 8 years respectively prior to REUC. (Well, Jill made a lot of appearances in other media...)

Either way, the people who like Leon should be ecstatic as surely DSC will establish him as the new protagonist with some sort of shoehorned new antagonist taking over the main baddie role from Wesker.

And anti-Leon people like myself will just have to deal.

But even the mighty Wesker, who has appeared in the most titles, has less screen time than Leon had in RE4 & Degeneration.

[Mr_Zombie]

Ok, so we have a game that is about another pair of main characters in the RE universe: Claire and Leon; Claire will have her own scenario in the game (unless they retcon CV, Leon doesn't appear on Rockfort Island nor Antarctica) so why can't Leon have his own scenario too? Oh... because it's Leon, and... because it's Leon.

Really, don't you see that while you criticize Los Jilluminados for their love for Jill, you're exactly the same as them? The only difference is that while they talk about how great and awesome Jill is (and whine about why her hair is now blond...), you constantly bitch about how Leon is a douchebag, how you hate him and even whine that he will get his own scenario in a game about him and Claire.
You don't like him, we get this. Can we move on, please?

And no, we can take REmake as new game, because even though it was based on the scenario from the original RE1, it was completely new game, just like Ringu and The Ring are two different movies even though both follow the very same scenario.
So that would give Chris: 1996 - RE1, 2000 - RECV, 2002 - REmake, 2007 - UC, 2009 - RE5 (+ Pachinko slot machine version of RE1, a canon comic book and a bonus character in RE2) Oh my, Chris is so oversaturated!

And let's not forget about Jill who is/was a mascot of RE universe in other Capcom games and starred in at least two fighting games and "Under the skin". Oh my, Jill is so oversaturated!

[Jill's Boob]

Yes, it is true that I hate Leon. That is well documented.

This doesn't change the fact that in a span of 4 years (RE4 came out in early 2005) Leon is appearing in an awful lot of media. I suppose it is comparable to Jill and Chris making many appearances in the early years, yes. But that doesn't change the fact that he is indeed being overused in the RE world.

Try as you might to shift the focus to this being made up by anti-Leon fans, but you cannot act like RE4, a feature film, and now DSC are not focusing on Leon.

And yeah, if DSC is about Leon & Claire's adventures, so be it. But I have not heard about Claire getting her own scenario. I mean, sure, she'll be in the RE2 -and- RECV scenarios, but those are just rehashes.

The people that should truly feel ripped off are the fans of Claire. She was pushed to the side in Degeneration in favor of a certain robotic ninja with the hair of a Japanese pop star.

And if you wanna play the whine game, let's go ahead and count Leon being mentioned in RECV and RE5. He was even shown in the opener for Ada's scenario in REUC. Whoa! He's never been out of sight out of mind except for in RE1 and RE3. OVERSATURATED!!!! Plus he starred in the best RE game, Gaiden!!!!!

Never before has an RE character gotten this much limelight in such a short period of time. It's plain & simple. Like him or not, it doesn't change the evidence at hand.

But this really shouldn't spin out of control into yet another Leon fight, so I apologize to all for that. I am mildly interested in this game for the RE2 and RECV segments. It'll be nice to see Claire again.

EDIT: I also hate Steve Burnside, Carlos Olivera, Alice, and especially Salazar. Please don't limit me to only hating Leon.

[Darkmoon]

Guys, there have been a whole lot of personal insults in this thread. Don't do it. Seriously. You love/don't love a character, and that's fine. But if I see personal insults fly again not only will I give you an infraction for that but for any others I find in this thread that I'm letting slide for now, which will, if not ban you, put you pretty damned close.

[cvxfreak]

Pulling all sorts of numbers is fine, but then why not count RE: Gaiden? And then, do you also consider REmake? What about REUC...how does that factor in, exactly? I mean, most of the scenarios are just rehashes. But then there's the Russian campaign, and that's new, so I guess we count it, much like we count the new Leon campaign in DSC.

I was taking into consideration, for Chris, RE1, RECV, REUC and RE5. I didn't even think about RECVX or the REmake, but I guess that helps my argument. RECV in 2000, RECVX in 2001, REmake in 2002. We can go even further and add Chris into 1998's RE2 Dual Shock release. I can be even more evil and throw in Gun Survivor 2, but let's not go there.

The fact of the matter is that Leon is oversaturated. Just look at the span from RE2 --> RE4. Leon was an afterthought during those years (except for Gaiden, which most people disregard). Then RE4 hits, and wham - Leon all the sudden pops up again in Degeneration a few years later, and will now feature prominently in DSC. And I'll take bets on him starring in RE6. The only comparable character to make repeated appearances in a similar window is Wesker, but most of his appearances were minimal.

So he's saturated because he appeared in a new piece of media 4 years after the previous, when there are numerous examples of the other characters appearing with far more frequency?

The reality is that in terms of character saturation, it's Chris > Jill > Leon/Claire.

With Leon, we're talking about a main character who gets lots of screentime repeatedly making an appearance in the span from 2004 - 2009. Jill and Chris disappeared after RE3 and RECV for a span of 7 and 8 years respectively prior to REUC. (Well, Jill made a lot of appearances in other media...)

Leon made or will make three appearances between 2005 and 2009. Chris will have made three appearances between 2007 and 2009, and that isn't the first time he will have appeared this frequently. We get Jill with two, but she was around a lot in the first few years, and like Leon, had a whole game to herself (ignoring Ada's major role in RE4 which some argue gives her a kind of co-star role).

I'm going to start counting the REmake from here on out because that really was a huge game. I'm even tempted to count Deadly Silence, but I won't.

The simple truth is that you're being highly selective about Leon just because you hate him. It is indisputable, given the timeframe you're using for Leon (2005 - 2009; 4/5 years) that the other Resident Evil main characters are just as guilty, if not moreso, of "saturation".

[REmaster]

Regardless of all the chatter and hate, I'd be lying if I said I wasn't excited for this game.

I hear you man. Although I'm also angry that I have to buy another wii since I just sold mine I thought for sure that RE5 was the last game for me, that I would get into at least. Than when DC came up, they had me at the RE2 scenario, but then this new scenario that I suspected coming true? Must buy.

[cvxfreak]

Just to illustrate character appearance frequency as comprehensively as possible:



Notes: Bold means the first version of their appearance in a particular title. I couldn't get Chris have too many bolds, so I didn't bold RE2 Dual Shock. :p I also ignored PC releases, and let's be fair, RE2 Game.com, Marvel vs. Capcom 2, Under the Skin, the Live-action movies, etc. doesn't count.

What this proves:

[1] Between 2005 and 2009, Chris and Leon will have appeared three times. Claire and Jill have two apiece.

[2] Chris will have appeared three times in the span of three years between 2000 and 2002, and between 2007 and 2009, giving him the only honor to make three consecutive appearances in three original games. REmake is distinct from RE1.

[3] Chris has been put out in the series in some form (either through a non-budget re-release or port, or completely new release) every single year with the exception of 2004 and 2005. Jill is one year behind without anything of note in 2001.

[4] Rebecca and Chris are the only ones who will have appeared in two new games within the same year. Rebecca was in REmake and Zero in 2002, and Chris was in RE5 and should be in REDSC in 2009.

[Mr_Zombie]

Chris was in Gun Survivor 2? Didn't know that.

[A-J]

Barry ? Where's Barry ?

[Mr_Zombie]

Well, I'm sorry, but he's probably...