Originally posted by Mr_Zombie
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Originally posted by Alexia_Ashford
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Go read my post again. I was responding to something someone said there. JB told me to take my hate glasses off, and that I only hate Chris cause I am biased. I said well first time I played RE I was not biased. Because you know, Id never played it before.
Why does it mean because Chris is in CV, Jill and Rebecca should be too? They never appeared in the bloody games. Chris plays HALF of the entire game. If people agree with you, why don't they post and say that then? Because it's beyond my comprehension where the logic for this argument comes in. A character is appearing in an on-rails rehash of an old game where you play for him as 50% OF THE ENTIRE GAME. Wow, this means two completely unrelated characters who were in neither game should appear too!
Now there is no reason Jill and Rebecca can't make an appearance in the 4th mission or one of the bonus ones. Seeing as Chris is now in it. And HUNK and Ada were in UC too. So yeah they should get an appearance.
Originally posted by Rosetta Mist
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I remember Rakkoon doing that but not me.

No. You made your backwards ass statement about being "offended" that Chris was in a game that he had every right to be in, and then said you wished Jill was in the game because Chris was in it. That is how this all started. No one else seemed upset that Chris was shown. He is strongly connected to Claire, and if it hasn't been said enough: He is in CV.

Then I said Jill and Rebecca should appear in the 4th chapter if Chris in in DSC too now.
Also I remember a page or so back someone saying they were unhappy with Chris being in this too.
I've seen more people complaining about Jill than I have Chris.
I see people hate on Chris a lot.
Here's the age old argument you're sure to bitch right back at me about. Chris is the main character of the series. More events and people were connected to him than any other hero.
Learn to comprehend please. I never said anything about making claims that everything I said was true. I said you have very poor skills at debating. You don't even know how to properly make an argument, let alone deliver it. Let me give you a little lesson: When you are debating something, you need facts, no personal opinion. You state your claim and then you yourself have to provide evidence to refute it. An example: Some studies have shown smoking is a health hazard, and yet I understand the tobacco industry is part of the economy etc.
Your typical argument is "I LOVE ZOMG TEH JILL AND SHE'S THE BEST IN THE ENTIRE SERIES. YOU DONT LIKE HER? WAAA YOU ARE SO MEAN AND MUST HATE ME!" You don't listen to reason, you are a hypocrite saying others dont respect your opinion when you clearly aren't returning the respect.
Like I said before: You cannot argue with someone's personal opinion. "I like the color blue." Well fuck me sideways. What can you say to that? "Blue is shit. Red is better." "NO U" No. That is not how to make an argument.
Your typical argument is "I LOVE ZOMG TEH JILL AND SHE'S THE BEST IN THE ENTIRE SERIES. YOU DONT LIKE HER? WAAA YOU ARE SO MEAN AND MUST HATE ME!" You don't listen to reason, you are a hypocrite saying others dont respect your opinion when you clearly aren't returning the respect.
Like I said before: You cannot argue with someone's personal opinion. "I like the color blue." Well fuck me sideways. What can you say to that? "Blue is shit. Red is better." "NO U" No. That is not how to make an argument.
Do you want me to show you what your arguments are like?
INSULTS!!!
That is your argument usually.
I think some opinions work better in a debate than just hurling insults at the other person because you disagree with them.
I think my ability to analyze something is far better than yours.
You claim Chris has no motives?
He went through just as much personal shit than Jill, if not more. His SISTER got involved in everything. Unless you're fucking dense and heartless, anyone would do anything to fight to protect the only family they have (or at least have ever been mentioned). Chris makes sacrifices to try and protect Claire. He wanted to make her proud. He was in the Air Force and a member of the police.
Anyways it's unrealistic, because I mean, does Chris and Claire not have a phone or something? The whole thing was rather pointless really. I mean Claire goes to Umbrella Paris looking for Chris, she's been searching for months. She gets captured, sends Leon an email to send for help. Then somehow, a day or so later Chris finds out Claire is in trouble, and the most dramatic of times. How did Leon find Chris so fast? It's just really stupid. Chris not only has an unrealistic storyline himself, he manages to fuck up other characters story's too. Then Chris, previously uncaring for Claire, suddenly turns up to rescue her. I mean why didn't he suddenly know she was in trouble in RC? Or why didn't he contact her in the months earlier?
Chris's whole story involving family just takes me right out of the game it's so badly pulled off.
He then goes on to try and stop bioterrorists around the world, something Claire herself obviously looks up to and tries to imitate on a more political level.
Chris, after narrowly escaping the mansion alive. Willingly decided to put himself back in the same situation again mere days later deciding to go to Umbrella Europe. Then goes to Rockfort and Antarctica, then Russia and a whole lot of other places and makes the BSAA. Who does this? No one. After the mansion incident, any normal person would have had nightmares afterwards for months, the sheer thought of going through it again would terrify them. It's like Chris is just one huge plot device to further the story while the other characters are the realistic ones.
I mean, Jill, she was realistic. She stayed in Raccoon, keeping quite and staying low, we have seen pics of her sitting in her bedroom thinking deeply. Obviously still in aftershock, trying to get over it. We see her walking through the city streets alone. She doesn't go on some stupid BS revenge on Umbrella thing. She tries to get back to her normal life. She resigns from Stars, and keeps tabs on Umbrella's activities. And she records things in her diary. She is realistic! She does things how any normal person would. In RE3, Jill's narration during the opening and the beginning show that she has no idea how she is still alive. How she managed to survive the first few days of the Outbreak. She was clearly terrified about the Outbreak. I mean she was holed up in a warehouse looking out of the windows like a madwomen with Dario in the first section of RE3.
Also Claire busts into a building looking for Chris. There were no zombies there and she was still searching for her brother, she was taken against her will to Rockfort. Afterwards she took to political activism which would be a realistic approach to taking down Umbrella.
What motives does Jill have that aren't cliched, hm? Let's see....Jill follows Chris. Jill does as Chris does. She wants to take out bioterrorists for the same reasons Chris does, except for the fact that she never had family involved.
So, years later, five years in fact, (That's more than enough to get over the aftershock and want some revenge, even just a year or two would be good, it's possible they did missions before Russia together). And after Umbrella's assassination attempts on her life. So she's not safe even if she stays out of it. She decides head out on her next mission. She decided it would do a lot of good to help Chris out and take down the remnants of Umbrella. That is realistic. Also, since she obviously shares a close bond with Chris, she would want to be close to him at all times. She loves him enough to want to sacrifice her own life for him. So I think that motive is a good enough and realistic one for going with Chris, to help take down Umbrella.
Jill is unrealistic. Female and in Delta Force by her early 20s? How often do you think that happens in the real world? She somehow manages to not have a hole in her shoulder where a tentacle entered her body in RE3. Those must be some magical healing powers she has! She is able to survive against huge odds, alone, in a city infested with zombies, while special forces with better numbers and weapons don't. How very, very realistic. Let's not forget that her super virus not only saves her life but JUST SO HAPPENS to be a cure if its ever needed. How very touching. And realistic to boot.
Claire is realistic you say? Early twenties, a master of guns, outruns a helicopter, breaks into a no doubt very highly guarded Umbrella lab and manages to take out entire teams of soldiers? Wow....she's such a realistic character. You sure do have some amazing skills in seeing realism MsV. I bet everyone where you live is super powered, hence why you think things like this are completely average human behavior.
Rebecca and realism? Don't make me laugh. 18 year old college grad, joins elite STARS, lives through a situation her highly more experience superiors don't, and then vanishes off the face of the earth.
Claire is realistic you say? Early twenties, a master of guns, outruns a helicopter, breaks into a no doubt very highly guarded Umbrella lab and manages to take out entire teams of soldiers? Wow....she's such a realistic character. You sure do have some amazing skills in seeing realism MsV. I bet everyone where you live is super powered, hence why you think things like this are completely average human behavior.
Rebecca and realism? Don't make me laugh. 18 year old college grad, joins elite STARS, lives through a situation her highly more experience superiors don't, and then vanishes off the face of the earth.
Claire is a realistic character in terms of her personality and traits. CVX's opening was out of place.
Same with Rebecca.
I DID say that his claims for being involved are a lot stronger than Jills (once again...he's looking out for his sister).
Originally posted by Jill's Boob
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Then I got a bunch of replies with people throwing hissy fits at me because of my post. So I defended myself.
but just don't try to make illogical arguments on why he/she should not be in a game.
The main thing here is that you are pissed off that Chris is in RECV, which no one can comprehend since he was, indeed, in RECV. And the primary reason for the events in the title. As Rosey said, a majority of the major players in the RE-verse are tied to Chris. Jill & Leon may be more popular, but Chris is the center point of the franchise.
Also saying Chris is the main character because he has more on screen appearances with the others in stupid. I am 100% percent sure they all have met. Chris and Leon have never been in the same game, yet he mentions the Kennedy report in RE5. I am pretty darn sure Claire would mention and introduce them. And same with everyone else. A lot of stuff happens off screen.
Do you no longer replay RECV or RE5, just because Chris is present?
I no longer play RE5 because it outright sucks. I don't play CVX much cause the gameplay is not as good as the other classics.
I was expecting a heavily abridged version of RE2 and CVX. So much altered in fact that Chris would be removed.
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