IGN Reviews Resident Evil: The Darkside Chronicles

[News Bot]

They are T-virus B.O.W.s. I'm sorry.

[BahamutRetsu]

They are T-virus B.O.W.s. I'm sorry.

Ok, if you think so. I don't mind lol But I will not change my opinion.

You plan on buying Darkside Chronicles?

[Canas Renvall]

^ They're T-Virus B.O.W.s ... Just my two cents. News Bot kinda hit all the points.

Also, I have DSC preordered for the awesome zombie shirt. Two days, baby!

[BahamutRetsu]

^ They're T-Virus B.O.W.s ... Just my two cents. News Bot kinda hit all the points.

Also, I have DSC preordered for the awesome zombie shirt. Two days, baby!

Congrats! I have 11 days left till I get mine copy.

As for T-virus B.O.W.s, that's your opinion.

So you say Progenitor virus can't mutate? Then how Wesker got his eyes? It's a physical mutation. How Lisa got mutated by Progenitor virus? It's because those 2 were modified Progenitor virus strains. Marcus could have modified it and that's why it can mutate those animals. At least my theory doesn't contradict a fully canon B.O.W. report, unlike yours. If you don't care for canon, go play Gaiden or something. We can say that file on Lisa's Progenitor virus injection is wrong too, and she was injected by T-virus. We can say Wesker got modified T-virus strain, but that would be very wrong. But it seems you don't care for canon files and change them at your own will. Progenitor virus can create B.O.W.s and B.O.W. report proves it. This file was written by developers of a canon main RE installment. Archives have this file uncorrected. You thought Progenitor virus couldn't mutate until RE Zero came out. From this point on developers changed its properties, they want you to know that it can mutate. If you don't trust em... Well that's your choice. I will never doubt any canon file, including B.O.W. report. You can.

[News Bot]

So you say Progenitor virus can't mutate? Then how Wesker got his eyes? It's a physical mutation

Progenitor variants are not Progenitor. The difference between Wesker and Lisa is that it is explicitly stated that they used variants, rather than Progenitor itself. Progenitor alone can only mutate certain individuals. It is a death-sentence in every other case (and was almost that way for Lisa, who barely survived).

The B.O.W. Report is either a mistake, or deals with creatures that are infact precursors to the Lurker, Eliminator and Plague Crawler. But they are not the enemies seen in Zero. There is no way for that to be possible. EVERY single source imaginable contradicts it, and there is no way that EVERY single source is a coincidence. Many sources > one file in a game with poor files.

And no, we don't change files. Its not our fault Capcom made the initial error to begin with. Zero's files also have a number of errors, such as Marcus dying in 1978.

[BahamutRetsu]

Progenitor variants are not Progenitor. The difference between Wesker and Lisa is that it is explicitly stated that they used variants, rather than Progenitor itself. Progenitor alone can only mutate certain individuals. It is a death-sentence in every other case (and was almost that way for Lisa, who barely survived).

The B.O.W. Report is either a mistake, or deals with creatures that are infact precursors to the Lurker, Eliminator and Plague Crawler. But they are not the enemies seen in Zero. There is no way for that to be possible. EVERY single source imaginable contradicts it, and there is no way that EVERY single source is a coincidence. Many sources > one file in a game with poor files.

And no, we don't change files. Its not our fault Capcom made the initial error to begin with. Zero's files also have a number of errors, such as Marcus dying in 1978.

Now just tell me why Eliminator, Plague Crawler and Lurker could not have been made by a variant of the Progenitor virus? It's possible. Highly mutagenic variant of the Progenitor virus. Why they couldn't have survived for10 years? Archives say Plague Crawlers escaped and formed colonies. Why Lurkers couldn't do the same? Or uncaged Eliminators? And EVERY single source are Archives, Guides and websites...? Ok, why Archives didn't correct that "wrong" file? They had a chance to do this. Or they made another of so many mistakes?

What file in Zero says Marcus died in 1978? You mean investigators report? It only says he disappeared 20 years ago... Which is exactly what happened. After TR facility was closed, he wanted to hide from everyone so he could study Progenitor and T more, alone and in secrecy. No wonder most people never found out he was killed in 1988... Because almost no one saw him since 1978 and he was missing for most people.

Investigators report also has proof Marcus experimented on Humans with Progenitor. B.O.W. report concludes humans are best for Progenitor virus. So after this report Marcus decides to make this a reality.

From Investigators report
"There we found EVIDENCE of Dr. Marcus' research into the T-virus PROTOTYPE CALLED PROGENITOR. The EVIDENCE of years of hideous experimentation that used company employees as guinea pigs. We cannot know how many were forced to become subjects, but based on the evidence, no less than 20 inviduals were involved. Some of them were taken deliberately to keep the corporation's secret safe. Where the doctor is now, I do not know."

And why would he experiment on humans? Apparently VERY unsuccessfully too, because those bodies in tubes don't look like zombies, just old normal rotten HUMAN bodies. Rebecca notes they have a face like they were in terrible pain when they died. If they had zombies faces that comment is higly out of place. Zombies don't have a face that shows any emotions. Those people were human when they died. Progenitor virus was used on them with standart Progenitor infection outcome. Now, why would he experiment on humans, with such optimism? Because he created 3 B.O.W's from Progenitor variant or pure Progenitor(pure Progenitor doesn't mutate humans but it very well might mutate animals) and he thought, logically, that it would work better with Humans.

[Archelon]

Sort of spoilers (?) from Darkside, but relevant to the conversation:

Spoiler:

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The frogs in the RE2 scenario are referred to as Lurkers, and the file specifically states that they were created using the T-Virus.

[BahamutRetsu]

Sort of spoilers (?) from Darkside, but relevant to the conversation:

Spoiler:

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The frogs in the RE2 scenario are referred to as Lurkers, and the file specifically states that they were created using the T-Virus.

I'v seen Lurkers in RE2 scenario. Just infected frogs from the sewers, and they look different from Lurkers in RE Zero. They can't be one and the same. The whole Raccoon City incident is based on secondary T-virus infection. These frogs are T-virus creatures, no doubt about it. Still why use the same name for different looking creatures... Oh Capcom, Capcom.

EDIT - They do look alike. Perhaps Capcom will give the Lurker name to any infected/mutated frogs from now on, T-virus or not.

But how do you know they are called Lurkers? Don't tell me you somehow got your copy already... Or did you?

[Dark_Chris]

yes he did, Archelon is a lucky man

[News Bot]

Being right is so beautiful.

[BahamutRetsu]

Being right is so beautiful.

Uh, you are not right sorry. They might have name Lurkers but they look different and are different creatures.

But read THIS. Our discussion made me go to my Japanese friend to translate one file from Zero AND Umbrella Chronicles AND Archives. It's called Leech Growth Records. Now it reads "Administered T to 4 leeches..." and describes how they change. LOL This is a HUGE translation error. In both RE Zero and RE Archives and Umbrella Chronicles(to be exactly in Japanese ORIGINAL versions of all 3) it reads

"Administered PROGENITOR VIRUS(!!) to 4 Leeches.... 7 days after administration of PROGENITOR...". It is 100% true. I know how Progenitor is written in Japanese now, and checked Archives. It has the same word in the same file(Leech Growth Records). Umbrella Chronicles has the same word too. (My fr. originally checked it in my Japanese RE Zero copy). So, News Bot what you say about this? So now 2 files in RE Zero, Umbrella Chronicles and Archives in ORIGINAL language say Progenitor leads to mutations. You can read how Marcus's Leeches evolved in this file... All thanks to Progenitor only. T-virus is not mentioned even once in original file.

[BahamutRetsu]

yes he did, Archelon is a lucky man

Wow cool.

How's it been so far? Do you like how RE2 scenario unfolds?

[News Bot]

T-virus B.O.W.s.

The Japanese Zero guide has a Files section, and has an analysis of each file. In the B.O.W. Report analysis, it mentions that the enemies seen in Zero are T-virus B.O.W.s and that the file is describing something else.

Case closed.

[BahamutRetsu]

T-virus B.O.W.s.

Uh, you read my post? 2 files say you are WRONG. Marcus's Leeches are pure PROGENITOR virus creatures.

Now read this... Actually all should read this. My Japanese friend translated the Japanese RE Archives about T-veronica. It has kind of double meaning and can be read differently, but there IS a word plant. And he translates it as "virus from queen ant + DNA from plants which hold Progenitor virus..." That is Stairway to the Sun flowers. It was one of my original interpretations in US book. I always understood "DNA from plants with the Progenitor virus" as one separate part, meaning DNA from plants which contain Progenitor virus. I didn't trust Archives but later I learned that Japanese CV file on Veronica virus mentioned both Plants and Africa. That's how it got to RE Archives. From then on I knew Progenitor virus is contained in plants. So RE5 wasn't a surprise to me at all lol. It just named and showed this "plant". So T-veronica is Stairway to the Son DNA + Ant virus + Progenitor. My fr also said Japanese Archives don't use the word DNA, more like a "sample/piece". He said you can understand it as "A sample of Progenitor virus from plants which contain it, plus Ant virus", that is without plant DNA per se, although Progenitor virus having its origin in flowers could have some plant DNA remnants. And combination with Ant virus intensifies this trait. It perfectly fits with CV file which says it only consists of Progenitor virus and Ant virus.

EDIT - As for Eliminator, Lurker and Plague Crawler... They can be T-virus creatures, and the file can be talking about something else. But I have my personal opinion that they are Progenitor creatures, since 2 files in RE Zero say it can mutate animals. And Leeches mutated pretty bad thanks to Progenitor...

[News Bot]

Interesting.

They're still T-virus B.O.W.s though.

And no, Marcus experimented on leeches with Progenitor. But the ones in Zero are also T-virus. Why else would they spread the damn thing?

Once we translate the CVX and Zero Kaitahsinsho guides all of this will be answered. Don't worry about it. And yes, the File Analysis section also does not have the T-virus in the Leech Growth Records.