Biohazard 5 Alternative Edition : "Desperate Escape" Revealed

[Alexia_Ashford]

Al the Jill freaks now get yours hands up



*coughBiohazard4cough*



Jill Valentine Chronicles would sound awesome though

That's not comparable at all. Capcom had decided from the get-go that Leon was going to be the main protagonist of RE4, and he had been for all of the incarnations of the game. Everything revolved around him and although they tried to make him seem "cool" to appeal to a wider audience, it is in no way comparable to giving a character a 5 minute cameo just for the sake of fan service like they did in RE5. That's like saying they just stuck Chris in there in RE5 because he's "cool".

[Zero38]

Jill was a Five minutes cameo.....!
She Made RE5 herself..

[Stu]

Jill was a Five minutes cameo.....!
She Made RE5 herself..

I christen you Jilluminado #1, because that really is as extreme a statement as i've heard from any Jill fan.

[Darkmoon]

Ladies and gentleman, please do not insult other members for there personal opinions. Because I'm tired and I'm sore and I need to change clothes. I also have an axe.

[Stu]

No one's insulting anyone.

[Darkmoon]

...you just infered that people who like Jill more than you feel they should are akin to members of a mind controlled cult who murder all that oppose them. I know you were trying to be funny but people have been hurt by that little name tag in the past It's sorta like redhead jokes, I suppose. Only there are no red head jokes because none of them are funny.

[Alexia_Ashford]

Jill was a Five minutes cameo.....!
She Made RE5 herself..

How exactly? In total, she probably appeared in the game for about 15 minutes. Sure, she "inspired" Chris, but he is a BSAA operative and they knew there was a bio-terrorist incident in Kijuju, so he would have more than likely been sent there anyway. Even if he hadn't been looking for Jill, I doubt he would have walked away when Sheva asked him to, as he's never done so in the past and the fact that it is his job. The game was about Chris, and Wesker. Chris was the main protagonist, not Jill. "Bird lady" could have been a nobody and it wouldn't have impacted the story a great deal.

This is what I'm saying. Remove Jill from RE5, and the story still functions. Chris would have been sent to Kijuju anyway, and not left given he'd seen the destruction that had been caused and wanted to stop it; again, it's his job and he was one of the founding members of the BSAA. Would have been pretty shitty of him if he set up this organization to stop bio-terrorists then ran away when the stakes got too high. Anyone could have been puppeted by Excella to manipulate Irving. The Chris v Wesker scene would still be there because.. it's Wesker. So would the final confrontation. How can someone make the game when it doesn't change it a great deal when they're removed? Even Sheva had more of an impact on the story than Jill and she was a new character. It's hardly like removing Jill from RE3, is it?

Was she the main protagonist? No. Chris was.
Was she the second-to-main protagonist? No. Sheva was.

Was she the main antagonist? No. Wesker was.
Was she the second-to-main antagonist? No. Excella was.

Jill was simply there to provide a bit of backstory and a little extra motive to Chris' being in Kijuju. To add some spice to the broth, if you will. She in no way "made the game on her own".

[ValentineLover]

This is what I'm saying. Remove Jill from RE5, and the story still functions. Chris would have been sent to Kijuju anyway, and not left given he'd seen the destruction that had been caused and wanted to stop it; again, it's his job and he was one of the founding members of the BSAA. Would have been pretty shitty of him if he set up this organization to stop bio-terrorists then ran away when the stakes got too high. Anyone could have been puppeted by Excella to manipulate Irving. The Chris v Wesker scene would still be there because.. it's Wesker. So would the final confrontation. How can someone make the game when it doesn't change it a great deal when they're removed? Even Sheva had more of an impact on the story than Jill and she was a new character. It's hardly like removing Jill from RE3, is it?

I highly doubt that without Uroboros there would have been a outbreak, and if there was an outbreak, the game would have ended up in Irving office

[Alexia_Ashford]

I highly doubt that without Uroboros there would have been a outbreak, and if there was an outbreak, the game would have ended up in Irving office

FYI, Jill had nothing to do with the outbreak in Kijuju. It was Las Plagas they were infected with, not Uroboros, and that was a result of TriCell - directly a result of Wesker and Excella. They could have used any number of people to test the Kijuju village with Las Plagas. Excella used her power with TriCell Africa to develop new types of Las Plagas (which were then tested in Kijuju) and she only had a sample to begin with because Wesker used it to get in with TriCell. So Wesker and Excella, not Jill. Uroboros was also developed by TriCell and was Wesker's project, not Jills, so really, the outbreak in Kijuju was all down to Wesker, thus again highlighting the minimal impact Jills presence had on the main storyline. Thanks for backing up my initial point.

[Jill Lover]

ALTERNATIVE EDITION COVER ART




I love it

[Mr_Zombie]

Remove Jill from RE5, and the story still functions.

Well, Jill greatly helped Wesker when it comes to developing the Uroboros Virus.

Jill may not have much screen time in RE5, but she's a rather important character for the backstory of the game nonetheless.

[Alexia_Ashford]

Perhaps so, but Las Plagas are to blame for the Kijuju outbreaks, and the B.O.Ws that the B.S.A.A knew about Irving selling were Las Plagas based too. So Chris still would have ended up in Africa anyway. There were some, but very few Uroboros based enemies in RE5. About 4 or 5 if I remember correctly.

[Mr_Zombie]

Yes, Las Pagas based creatures were main enemies in the game and it all started because of Irving selling B.O.W. in Kijuju. However, after Irving's death the entire game was about two things: finding out what is Uroboros Project (which was first mentioned about five minutes into the game) and finding out what exactly happened to Jill. After Two-on-Two battle, story wise, it was all about Uroboros.

[Zero38]

How exactly? In total, she probably appeared in the game for about 15 minutes. Sure, she "inspired" Chris, but he is a BSAA operative and they knew there was a bio-terrorist incident in Kijuju, so he would have more than likely been sent there anyway. Even if he hadn't been looking for Jill, I doubt he would have walked away when Sheva asked him to, as he's never done so in the past and the fact that it is his job. The game was about Chris, and Wesker. Chris was the main protagonist, not Jill. "Bird lady" could have been a nobody and it wouldn't have impacted the story a great deal.

This is what I'm saying. Remove Jill from RE5, and the story still functions. Chris would have been sent to Kijuju anyway, and not left given he'd seen the destruction that had been caused and wanted to stop it; again, it's his job and he was one of the founding members of the BSAA. Would have been pretty shitty of him if he set up this organization to stop bio-terrorists then ran away when the stakes got too high. Anyone could have been puppeted by Excella to manipulate Irving. The Chris v Wesker scene would still be there because.. it's Wesker. So would the final confrontation. How can someone make the game when it doesn't change it a great deal when they're removed? Even Sheva had more of an impact on the story than Jill and she was a new character. It's hardly like removing Jill from RE3, is it?

Was she the main protagonist? No. Chris was.
Was she the second-to-main protagonist? No. Sheva was.

Was she the main antagonist? No. Wesker was.
Was she the second-to-main antagonist? No. Excella was.

Jill was simply there to provide a bit of backstory and a little extra motive to Chris' being in Kijuju. To add some spice to the broth, if you will. She in no way "made the game on her own".

WRONG!! DID you read the files in the library !!
Oh well.. I will begin from the start
Who saved Chris & made the ultimate sacrifice in 2006?
Of course... without her doing that ... RE5 is nothing.
Also .. I remember that Without Jill & The experiments Wesker did on her... There would be no Uroboros...
Wesker planned from the start to use Jill & the P30(I think That's the device name which controlled Her) to help him
Chris would continue after chapter 2 to finish his Mission (get Irving) But He didn't know about wesker ... so I think he would have stopped there If he didn't know about Jill
Without Jill ... Chris & Sheva would have burned...
RE5 was About her & The Uroboros Project as well
Also ... Jill was not Playable .. right .. That was disappointing .. but Now she got 2 scenarios & she is in the new Boxart Too which I think is better than RE5 by Faar !!!!
I'm sick of people saying she is nothing in RE5 even some of her fans Said that
& sorry.. English is not My first Language

[GuardhouseMusic]

How exactly? In total, she probably appeared in the game for about 15 minutes. Sure, she "inspired" Chris, but he is a BSAA operative and they knew there was a bio-terrorist incident in Kijuju, so he would have more than likely been sent there anyway. Even if he hadn't been looking for Jill, I doubt he would have walked away when Sheva asked him to, as he's never done so in the past and the fact that it is his job. The game was about Chris, and Wesker. Chris was the main protagonist, not Jill. "Bird lady" could have been a nobody and it wouldn't have impacted the story a great deal.

This is what I'm saying. Remove Jill from RE5, and the story still functions. Chris would have been sent to Kijuju anyway, and not left given he'd seen the destruction that had been caused and wanted to stop it; again, it's his job and he was one of the founding members of the BSAA. Would have been pretty shitty of him if he set up this organization to stop bio-terrorists then ran away when the stakes got too high. Anyone could have been puppeted by Excella to manipulate Irving. The Chris v Wesker scene would still be there because.. it's Wesker. So would the final confrontation. How can someone make the game when it doesn't change it a great deal when they're removed? Even Sheva had more of an impact on the story than Jill and she was a new character. It's hardly like removing Jill from RE3, is it?

Sheva was put in for 4 things plot based:
-"Pahtnah" symbolism
-Knowing Josh
-Weak Umbrella-related subplot
-Being from Africa. Fuckin' Africa.

Plus, if you take out Jill, I imagine the search would be for Irving. Chris doesn't learn about Wesker's presence until he actually hears his first name. I'm not going to try to justify the notion of a character "needing" any more entries in the series. For one thing, the revival of RE5 is mostly based on her prominence, and two, I want these characters finished.