Resident Evil 6 Leon Gameplay Video

[News Bot]

Leon's personality in BH4 is mostly the result of bad localization and voice direction, for which there is no consistency in the series.

[Smiley]

I don't think bad voice directing had anything to do with it. Even the animations without the voice work place Leon as a cocky full of himself hero that takes the situation lightly.

What I got from the scene I thought was rather clear. This wasn't just any zombie. This was the President. His boss and his friend. He knew Benford was infected, but he was still frightened to pull the trigger and only did so because he was going after Helena. Screaming "Adam" while pulling the trigger.

Because he knew the President closely (as shown being on a first name basis) we're supposed to understand that even through his experience he was still struggling and conflicted in putting him down.

Think back to Steve in Code Veronica. He relished in killing as many zombies as he could. Even excited to use automatics in mowing them down. Then he sees his father is infected and froze up completely. To the point where he could have died. And he didn't fire at him until his father was about to attack Claire.

And that was a kid inexperienced. Leon at least has years of experience which we see because he still keeps his gun on Benford and doesn't keep his sight off him.

[ElusionM]

Except that's not the problem, the problem is Leon told him to "stay where you are". It doesn't matter if it's your President, your best friend, or even your own brother, you know they are not themselves anymore, you have witnessed, experienced, and killed many of their kind in the past, yet you think telling them to stay where they are would be any more effective than pulling the trigger onto their brains.

Initial shock is one thing, but it's ridiculous how RE2 Leon was more alert, active and unfazed by the zombies in his first time ever experience (and I'm actually talking about his RE2 opening specifically), yet 15 years of training, hardening, and zombie/bow experience later we have him conversing with living dead, giving them commands.

No one is denying the shock, but he has no excuse to be in denial(he's hardened and been through this before), no excuse to try to talk to the zombie (when he he witnessed them in the past and just saw him feasting on another human seconds before), and then hesitate to pull the trigger despite the fact he knows the president is a goner and actually put Helena in risk (i.e. bullet missing somehow, not killing it spot on, etc). Hesitation, yet 15 minutes later he tells Helena not to hesitate. Small thing yes, but when it's part of the story and character, it becomes a rather large thing.

Oh, and Steve's situation is a completely different thing. He was a kid, 17 years of age, and he was surprised with his father as a zombie. Young age, first time zombie experience, and had to kill his father who he probably even expected alive and well. You can't place much burden on him; and thats why the RE2 Leon in comparison makes things worse, because in RE2 he took the zombies extremely lightly yet in RE4 he has no clue whats going on (old guy and his daughter/elevator scenes).

[Smiley]

I think it's one thing to say that and another to follow through with it. Even with all the experience, Leon still has some humanity left in him after all if he's conflicted with killing a friend on the spot.

You think Chris would kill Jill in RE5? No, he tried to reason with her. He didn't hesitate killing the infected, and Jill was clearly not herself when she attacked him and fought alongside Wesker.

Steve is just another example, though unlike the experienced Leon, he froze and was an easy target for getting bitten. Leon always had his gun on him so he knew he was going to have to pull the trigger even though he clearly didn't want to.

Another example is Carlos being unable to kill Murphy. He knew what he had to do. He knew he was up against zombies. But he still had trouble killing one of his own despite the pleas to do so. Contrast that to Nicholai. If it's Nicholai then he kills Murphy without flinching and without remorse. Even Jill finds that troubling.

Really, it seems like this complaint is exaggerated. Leon still shot him and prevented the zombie from attacking Helena. He just had a moment of humanity before doing so. He didn't want to kill his friend (the President), but he had to. If you can kill friends or family without hesitation then that seems more cold. There's no horror or tension in characters who don't have any weakness or fear in them. It's a bold move for the character.

And there's no inconsistency because that would imply Leon never hesitated to kill close friends. We've never seen that happen to him. We've had Darkside Chronicles and Degeneration to established that he's not as much of a cocky agent as RE4 made him out to be.

[ElusionM]

You can't really use the Jill example, considering it was obvious she wasn't infected and Chris knew this and also knew he could save her (hence why never attacked her but let her beat him up, even before seeing the control-device on her chest). With Leon, the situation was obvious, not only was the president a zombie, but Leon had just seen him FEASTING on human flesh.

Like I said, the initial shock is understandable. But there is nothing that can justify his attempts to have the zombie "stand back". If it was a new-comer saying that, it would still make sense (heck, Helena's shock was understandable and even she had her gun aimed). But Leon not only faced and killed thousands of zombies, but has even been trained mentally on how to act in desperate situations, yet he still stands around literally asking the zombie to stand back. His RE2 example makes the situation even worse, where he was completely unfazed as a rookie, untrained and first experience with zombies.

And Steve once again, has no burden to bear. He could have let his father kill both him and Claire and it still would make sense because like I said, he was a kid with no training, physical or mental, first zombie experience, and it was his father on top of that. But even he, like RE2 Leon, didn't ask him to stand back or whatever, but outright unloaded BOTH SMG clips into his zombie father, down to the point he tried pulling the trigger even after the clips were emptied and the zombie was dead 10x by now.

The other inconsistencies only make things worse (old man says we get out of the garage, Leon a few minutes later asks "so how do we get outta here?", never showed any signs of alertness around the old man and his daughter, both clearly possessing signs of infection, and he was completely off guard in the elevator).

[Smiley]

But Jill was infected. Not like the other majini, but she was infected with something. We later find out it's P30, but at the time Chris didn't know nor did he have any indication on how to save her until the device was seen. Till then getting beaten up was not a strategy. He didn't want to kill her and was prone to getting attacked.

And shock comes in forms of reason. Stay back is a clear defense. Not because Leon wouldn't shoot him (he did) but because he didn't want to.

[ElusionM]

But Jill was infected. Not like the other majini, but she was infected with something. We later find out it's P30, but at the time Chris didn't know nor did he have any indication on how to save her until the device was seen. Till then getting beaten up was not a strategy. He didn't want to kill her and was prone to getting attacked.

And shock comes in forms of reason. Stay back is a clear defense. Not because Leon wouldn't shoot him (he did) but because he didn't want to.

Chris didn't even try to fend her off, because he himself knew she was under some sort of control rather than infection ("Jill ... It's me Chris!"), also notice how he doesn't hesitate to shoot for her FACE while she still has the mask on, yet doesn't even try to fend her off after he finds out it's Jill. Right from the moment he sees it's Jill, he knows she's being controlled (his quote, and also Wesker's taunts easily give it away). Not attacking her is one thing, but he didn't even bother defending himself after he saw her face.

And doesn't matter what Leon wanted to do or not, "stay back" to a zombie from an experienced agent who's killed thousands of zombies is out of place in every way possible. Hesitating, while also out of place, still can be justified to a small degree, but the other inconsistency cannot be.

It doesn't matter who the person is, after 15 years of zombie and bow killing, you DO NOT tell a mindless ZOMBIE to stand back. This isn't a bank robbery, especially when you aren't a newcomer to the situation.

[Smiley]

Infection and control are still one in the same thing in this series. You like quotes, and Salazar/Saddler have some good ones in RE4 about being under their control.

Jill was infected with P30. Being under Wesker's control doesn't take that away. And regardless, Chris had no idea what she was infected with or if there was a way to save her until later on.

By Chris not hesitating to shoot Jill when she was disguised and then not being able to kill her once her identity is revealed, you just provided yourself with enough reason to know why protagonists have a hard time killing people they're close to.

Leon hesitated because he knew the President. To him, it wasn't just a mindless zombie to put down. He has memories and a friendship with that person. He didn't want to put him down, but knew he would eventually have to.

The key to knowing that is when he tells Hunnigan he shot the President. Your quip of subtlety doesn't excuse that he was still broken down from doing it. He doesn't excuse the fact that he was infected like Helena did. And that's because to him the President meant more.

You seem to have a problem understanding that.

[ElusionM]

Infection and control are still one in the same thing in this series. You like quotes, and Salazar/Saddler have some good ones in RE4 about being under their control.

Jill was infected with P30. Being under Wesker's control doesn't take that away. And regardless, Chris had no idea what she was infected with or if there was a way to save her until later on.

By Chris not hesitating to shoot Jill when she was disguised and then not being able to kill her once her identity is revealed, you just provided yourself with enough reason to know why protagonists have a hard time killing people they're close to.

Leon hesitated because he knew the President. To him, it wasn't just a mindless zombie to put down. He has memories and a friendship with that person. He didn't want to put him down, but knew he would eventually have to.

The key to knowing that is when he tells Hunnigan he shot the President. Your quip of subtlety doesn't excuse that he was still broken down from doing it. He doesn't excuse the fact that he was infected like Helena did. And that's because to him the President meant more.

You seem to have a problem understanding that.

No they aren't. Jill was under action control, not even mind control as per her own words ("I was aware of everything"). She even went as far as resisting and letting go of Chris near the elevator, something the Ganados and Majinis were incapable of, for they were controlled via infection, but Jill was only controlled via device (which affected her in no ways other than physical actions, even those which were broken despite the fact it was an advanced staged).

Chris and Leon's situtations are not even comparable (like it is with Steve's), because on one hand the protagonist is fully aware that the "enemy" is only under mind control but completely human, and on the other hand we have a completely offed, fully infected and active zombie, both by actions and looks. Chris didn't want to kill someone who wasn't in the right mental state (and as later revealed, she was in fact in the right mental state, just not physical), and Jill was fully human and showed no signs of infection at all. Chris had every single reason to not pull the trigger after he found out it was Jill.

Leon on the other hand, like I said a million times already but I'll say it again in hopes you grasp onto it, just witnessed the guy feasting on human flesh, but he tells him to "STAND BACK". No one is denying the initial shock, or even the hesitation, it's telling a ZOMBIE, a type you killed nearly a thousand of, then killed a thousand more advanced ones, to stand back. Add 15 years of physical and mental training, and you got yourself an even shittier situation. Add the RE2 scenario, and everything is covered in shit by now.

If anything, you fail to understand what's being discussed here. Leon had no excuse or reason to tell a zombie he witnessed devouring another human being, to "stand back". Whether you see it or not, the book is open, and inconsistency is the only word printed.

And thats not even counting all the other things, unless you believe the old man and his daughter were Leon's relatives, which is why he didn't show any signs of being alert around them as they carried a bloody, coughing girl who's unable to walk on her own, while a 3 mile zombie outbreak scales around them.

[Smiley]

Where is that coming from? You're only accounting for an infection based on the host's state of mind. Something of which isn't even relevant because someone infected with las plagas will have a different mind set than someone infected with the T-virus. And yet here you are saying Jill isn't infected when it's been established that she was and furthermore the concept of "control" plays out just as well with las plagas.

I also have to keep reminding you that Chris had no idea what she was infected with or how it was working until later during their encounter. All he knew was that Jill was different. She has "powers" and was using them to try and kill Chris and his partner. He had no way of knowing if he could save her and left himself vulnerable for attack until a weakness was inevitably found through her actions.

Whether Jill fought off her infection doesn't dismiss anything either. She still succumbed to P30. Steve fought off the effects of his infected condition to save Claire. Curtis Miller in Degeneration fought off the G virus momentarily to tell Angela to keep away from him so he wouldn't hurt her.

You're pulling random defenses from nowhere when the series has established many examples that prove to show protagonists like Leon, Steve, Carlos and Chris are not as cold blooded when it comes to the people they are close to. And even less to show that a person's will cannot fight off an infected state.

[ElusionM]

And you continue to fail to understand that no one is talking about hesitation, but the fact Leon told a ZOMBIE to stand back. There is NOTHING that can justify this when you are an experienced survivor with blood of 2,000 BOWs on your hands, 15 years of physical, mental and emotional training, and a record of being unmoved by zombies as a rookie. You do not, do not, tell a zombie to stand back after all that. Don't see how it's so difficult for you to understand such a simple claim, backed up by a number of factual references. Instead, you're clinging onto his hesitation to kill an old friend, in hopes you have some argument. When it's actually funny, how his hesitation even is off and inconsistent at a deeper look (but at least understandable, as opposed to the problem at hand).

Edit: Jill's situation is still not comparable. Leon didn't face Adam and say "Adam, it's me Leon", why? Because he KNEW Adam was long gone, all it was now was a zombie. Whereas Chris KNEW it was still Jill, hence he instantly lowers his gun and starts trying to bring her to her senses. The two situations are day and night.

[Smiley]

It was a defense reaction to seeing a friend infected. Telling him to stay where he is was his way of stalling. It's part of his hesitation. And it's different than a random zombie because it's a friend he knew personally. Someone close to him was affected which is different and a natural human reaction.

It's why a doctor wouldn't do surgery on his own daughter unless he was the only one who can do it. Or why a hunter has a hard time putting down their own dog but no qualms shooting a deer. If it becomes personal then logic and rationalizing become a problem.

I'm not sure this is as big of a problem as you're making it out to be. So by all means agree to disagree. But I'll let the examples speak for themselves.

[Smiley]

Edit: Double post error.

[Vito]

I'm gonna laugh so loud if that line "Stand Back" is a mistranslation. =P

[Smiley]

Even if it was, the scene plays out with Leon stalling.